JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

IRST is basically for close range (under 20KM) engagements, while the new air war doctrine now revolves around extreme long ranges.

Na, In late 80s to mid 90s IRST has a range of at least 80 km on upgradation of Su-27 family of jets today's IRST has a range well beyond 100 km

 

[ThoroughPro]

Na, In late 80s to mid 90s IRST has a range of at least 80 km on upgradation of Su-27 family of jets today's IRST has a range well beyond 100 km

Hard to believe, the total lense dia is only about 12~15 inches max, I don't think such a small lense can detect infra red signals at that range.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Hard to believe, the total lense dia is only about 12~15 inches max, I don't think such a small lense can detect infra red signals at that range.

Even Typhoon's PIRATE IRST can detect/track targets 90 miles (167 km) away in tail-chase mode where enemy's engine exhaust nozzle visible to IRST

 

[ThoroughPro]

Even Typhoon's PIRATE IRST can detect/track targets 90 miles (167 km) away in tail-chase mode where enemy's engine exhaust nozzle visible to IRST

amazing feat. I guess I need to update my knowledge on irst's some more.

 

[MastanKhan]

Usually taught by a good family or eventually Malikul Maut

Hi,

This is Khanewal---civil lines graveyard---.

Farther back is my mother " ATIYA BEGUM'S " grave---in the foreground---my grave to be.

I am ready to meet my maker---are you?

 

[SABRE]

Things are getting quite grim here.

 

[Musings]

Hi,

This is Khanewal---civil lines graveyard---.

Farther back is my mother " ATIYA BEGUM'S " grave---in the foreground---my grave to be.

I am ready to meet my maker---are you?

Sir - i have respect for you and your lost ones but it doesnt make any sense to put this on here? Lets stick to the actual topic please............

 

[m52k85]

Sir - i have respect for you and your lost ones but it doesnt make any sense to put this on here? Lets stick to the actual topic please............

If I were to summarise the various 'jharpein' between Mastan and the so called experts on here, Mastan brings out-of-box thinking, prods the imagination, this does not sit well with the establishment of experts. Now normally that would be ok, but Mastan does so unapologetically and with confidence, and the establishment is unable to show grace when out of their comfort zone. As a result things turn sour.

 

[Intervention-06]

Hi,

This is Khanewal---civil lines graveyard---.

Farther back is my mother " ATIYA BEGUM'S " grave---in the foreground---my grave to be.

I am ready to meet my maker---are you?

Sir- you are well respected and I am a calm reader since approximately 10 years of your posts in this forum - I wish to see you continued well respected- is sabar and peace approaching not the supreme order despite taking the fighting to personal heights. Regards

 

[Pakistan First]

If I were to summarise the various 'jharpein' between Mastan and the so called experts on here, Mastan brings out-of-box thinking, prods the imagination, this does not sit well with the establishment of experts. Now normally that would be ok, but Mastan does so unapologetically and with confidence, and the establishment is unable to show grace when out of their comfort zone. As a result things turn sour.

"unapologetically and with confidence"

Arrogant people who say they know everything, and claim that others (retired members) learned from them and feel offended when corrected when they commit basic mistakes shouldn't be taken seriously at all.

Also, all of us should value only those people Who speaks facts / reality of ground (no matter how bad it sounds) but not those who pour "out of box thinking" OR something which people want to hear.

Lastly, one must NEVER take the word of arrogant / egoistic people. The ones who think they are all knowing.

I never engaged with Mastan before a few weeks ago until one day I saw the post by him lecturing China with his super confidence that "---China is really at a loss as what to do---. It had 72 hours after pakistan took out indian might on may 9/10 to take out Taiwan---and it failed to take action. ". I politely explained him basics of geopolitics that on how many levels his post was wrong. I spend my time and explained him basics with honest opinion for his knowledge .. That's what forums are for.. But he went extremely rude / offended just because I dared to correct him. Not a good role model I'd suggest for anyone in the forum. I wonder why he acts like a kid, when someone corrects him ? Why he thinks that forum is a dick measuring contest ? No one is going to get a medal to be "right" or "all knowing". Nobody is "all knowing" except creator.

BTW, Whatever "experts establishment" you referred to was probably some other members you'd be pointing to. I am no expert and I never claim to be one. I just say what honestly I think is based on facts/history and I don't ever try to write what people want to hear.

 

[rafale]

"unapologetically and with confidence"

Arrogant people who say they know everything, and claim that others (retired members) learned from them and feel offended when corrected when they commit basic mistakes shouldn't be taken seriously at all.

Also, all of us should value only those people Who speaks facts / reality of ground (no matter how bad it sounds) but not those who pour "out of box thinking" OR something which people want to hear.

Lastly, one must NEVER take the word of arrogant / egoistic people. The ones who think they are all knowing.

I never engaged with Mastan before a few weeks ago until one day I saw the post by him lecturing China with his super confidence that "---China is really at a loss as what to do---. It had 72 hours after pakistan took out indian might on may 9/10 to take out Taiwan---and it failed to take action. ". I politely explained him basics of geopolitics that on how many levels his post was wrong. I spend my time and explained him basics with honest opinion for his knowledge .. That's what forums are for.. But he went extremely rude / offended just because I dared to correct him. Not a good role model I'd suggest for anyone in the forum. I wonder why he acts like a kid, when someone corrects him ? Why he thinks that forum is a dick measuring contest ? No one is going to get a medal to be "right" or "all knowing". Nobody is "all knowing" except creator.

BTW, Whatever "experts establishment" you referred to was probably some other members you'd be pointing to. I am no expert and I never claim to be one. I just say what honestly I think is based on facts/history and I don't ever try to write what people want to hear.

Not everything is to be taken literally, sometimes it is enough to just provoke a thought or change of mindset.......give you a new way of thinking......you need to know when to let it go.

The personal jibes here by senior members is just poor taste. Doesn't matter what you earn, what age you are or who you are, the way you talk when things get personal is what really tells what you are made of and how you were raised.

Sorry to say, but almost of them disappointed here.

 

[gusto]

If I were to summarise the various 'jharpein' between Mastan and the so called experts on here, Mastan brings out-of-box thinking, prods the imagination, this does not sit well with the establishment of experts. Now normally that would be ok, but Mastan does so unapologetically and with confidence, and the establishment is unable to show grace when out of their comfort zone. As a result things turn sour.

I won't take sides, but you used a few words and said it all.

there is a difference between thinking of yourself less but not less of yourself. people do not differentiate because of their ignorance.

and, ignorance is a blessing. it helps them not to suffocate themselves with hurt ego and pride.

 

[Deino]

If I were to summarise the various 'jharpein' between Mastan and the so called experts on here, Mastan brings out-of-box thinking, prods the imagination, this does not sit well with the establishment of experts. Now normally that would be ok, but Mastan does so unapologetically and with confidence, and the establishment is unable to show grace when out of their comfort zone. As a result things turn sour.

I can only disagree with this, and strongly: the old man / Mastan "does this so unapologetically and with confidence" even when reposting the biggest BS, false claims and outright lies only to confuse the "enemies" or to post a different opinion for the sake of arrogance,
Therefore "the establishment" is NOT unable but unwilling "to show grace when out of their comfort zone" since he has not even the slightest honor to admit when he's wrong! "As a result things turn sour" even more so since he not simply admits and shut up but gets insulting, offensive or just as above posts any random irrelevant "off topic" stuff to divert from the issue!

Yes, I too regret like @Musings his losses and "i have respect for you and your lost ones but it doesn't make any sense to put this on here? Let's stick to the actual topic please!

And to prove his stubbornness; he even refuses to accept clear proof or good / even better images on a certain topic simply because he is a malicious old person. As has been said so often, he isn't concerned with facts; he is interested only in himself, his position, and displays of power—and that is precisely what "the establishment" has no appetite for.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

If I were to summarise the various 'jharpein' between Mastan and the so called experts on here, Mastan brings out-of-box thinking, prods the imagination, this does not sit well with the establishment of experts. Now normally that would be ok, but Mastan does so unapologetically and with confidence, and the establishment is unable to show grace when out of their comfort zone. As a result things turn sour.

I remember the late Khafee suggesting and even confirming a list of fighter aircrafts that Pakistan had purchased but not a single one materialised. He had a huge following on this forum.

@MastanKhan , didn't you once start a thread on the old Defence.pk forum arguing why Pakistan will eventually acquire F-35 from the US?

 

[Bratva]

I remember the late Khafee suggesting and even confirming a list of fighter aircrafts that Pakistan had purchased but not a single one materialised. He had a huge following on this forum.

@MastanKhan , didn't you once start a thread on the old Defence.pk forum arguing why Pakistan will eventually acquire F-35 from the US?

It was a dis-info profile spreading dis-info on purpose and when the claims didn't materialise, another claim was made so user can disappear from internet.