Israel is itching to go to war with Turkiye and Egypt

[Desert]

Egypt I know is run by a puppet government but if run by some strict patriotic government then Egypt can become a huge threat to Israel....

That's why a military coup in 2013 happened by the help of Gulfies,israel and U.S

 

[Nimble]

That's why a military coup in 2013 happened by the help of Gulfies,israel and U.S

Yes hope one day this will change and Egypt gets a true leader....

When Israel put conditions like Egypt not maintaining heavy military presence in Sinai or Egypt not given this or that weapon it shows what Israel saw in the war of 1973 with Egypt and what Egypt is capable of if in the hands of patriotic leadership...

 

[hussain0216]

So do you also believe it was actually the Jews running the death camps to mass slaughter themselves and other minorities on an industrial scale?

When do you think the so called control of the Jews began? Can you provide date? They have been in control of the whole world since when? Surely, if they were such a powerful controlling force, they wouldn't have to constantly rely on the West to even be able to cook breakfast in Tel Aviv?

So you also believe that the 2000 year old tradition of annual beating of a random Jew on Easter Day in Europe was also implemented by Jews culminating in the most organized mass slaughtering of the Jews/minorities in WW2?

Give me the year when you think the Jews took control of the whole world.

Why are the Jews so hated and despised?

What they are doing today, they have always done

And every time they get caught out, they have to pay the consequences

They never learn, just dig a deeper and deeper hole

 

[delta2]

Why are the Jews so hated and despised?

What they are doing today, they have always done

And every time they get caught out, they have to pay the consequences

They never learn, just dig a deeper and deeper hole

It really is the Zionist/Church-ist West that obsessively hates the Jews.

Of course they will be punished for the evil they have done and are doing. But could they have done even a single thing without the support they're getting from the West, which as always sought to expel Jews out of Europe in one way or another? It just so happens that the location of Palestine offered the colonialist powers/foeces an ideal chance to create a long term issue right next to a resource rich area, which perfectly fits their plan for resource extraction at below market prcies. Initially the West wanted to move all the Jews out of Europe into Madagascar or somewhere else in Africa.

Islam will eventually win and this current evil demonic apartheid state will be defeated. But do you think the Europeans will allow those millions of Jews into their lands? Where do you think they will go? That is right, they will be given refuge by Muslims as always before.

 

[Desert]

Yes hope one day this will change and Egypt gets a true leader....

When Israel put conditions like Egypt not maintaining heavy military presence in Sinai or Egypt not given this or that weapon it shows what Israel saw in the war of 1973 with Egypt and what Egypt is capable of if in the hands of patriotic leadership...

You have a great insight towards the Egyptian situation.

about 1973, Egypt gave israel a major defeat in the beginning of the war but by the end of it we suffered huge casualities due to what you said ( patriotic leader) .. the patriotic leader was Al-Shazly. He was Egypt's chief of staff during the Yom Kippur War. He told Al-Sadat not to extend the attack but sadat ( the traitor) refused,
He was removed from office .This dismissal was the result of sharp strategic disagreements over the management of the battle and the development of the offensive, which later led to the 'Deversoir breach.' These disagreements worsened after El Shazly fiercely opposed the Camp David Accords.

Sadat has always been a fucken spy , he deserved every bullet in his chest.

 

[Aryan_B]

without American money and weapons Israel showed on 7th Oct that they would be beaten by a paramilitary force. Not in their wildest dreams can they think of attacking Turkey and what not

 

[Desert]

without American money and weapons Israel showed on 7th Oct that they would be beaten by a paramilitary force. Not in their wildest dreams can they think of attacking Turkey and what not

Turkey has Kurds, secular , shia, sunni, alwaities , sufi etc .. a nice ground for civil war supported by israeli blitz

 

[Aryan_B]

Turkey has Kurds, secular , shia, sunni, alwaities , sufi etc .. a nice ground for civil war supported by israeli blitz

They couldnt do this to Iran I cant see how they can do against Turks

 

[_Arabia_]

That's why a military coup in 2013 happened by the help of Gulfies,israel and U.S

UAE mostly but you forgot that Qatar (both of them Khaleejis) was on the other side.

In any case all of this is a joke because the Egyptian military runs all of Egypt and that has been the case since 1952.

I don't believe that Morsi was allowed into power organically either. It was all controlled. As soon as he started to try to replace the elites with his "own people" he was toppled.

Leaders change but the powerful institutions running countries behind the curtain continue.

If you want to see changes in Egypt you need to uproot the entire elite and institutions and I do not see that happening because the Egyptian elites are running the country while the average people/person is poor and struggling. Many are also illiterate politically and easy to fool with slogans, whether religious, nationalistic etc.

Which is why I believe that Egypt can go from one opposite to the other depending on what the elites want to manufacture. Pan-Arabism, "Islamism", Egyptian nationalism (focus on pre-Islamic era) etc. We have seen all 3 in the modern era alone.

Even highly educated (on average) European countries and Western ones are being fooled by politicians and populism.

With people getting dumber and dumber each year we will likely see more of this in the future. Unless AI decides to end us all because we are too stupid.

 

[Desert]

They couldnt do this to Iran I cant see how they can do against Turks

Iran is more stable than Turkey according to minorities.

Turkey's seculars alone form a huge threat towards the current turkish state in anyway against israel or western nation, how about the others ? kurds , alawaities etc.

iran didn't witness any attempt to a military coup unlike turkey.

 

[Desert]

UAE mostly but you forgot that Qatar (both of them Khaleejis) was on the other side.

In any case all of this is a joke because the Egyptian military runs all of Egypt and that has been the case since 1952.

I don't believe that Morsi was allowed into power organically either. It was all controlled. As soon as he started to try to replace the elites with his "own people" he was toppled.

Leaders change but the powerful institutions running countries behind the curtain continue.

If you want to see changes in Egypt you need to uproot the entire elite and institutions and I do not see that happening because the Egyptian elites are running the country while the average people/person is poor and struggling. Many are also illiterate politically and easy to fool with slogans, whether religious, nationalistic etc.

Which is why I believe that Egypt can go from one opposite to the other depending on what the elites want to manufacture. Pan-Arabism, "Islamism", Egyptian nationalism (focus on pre-Islamic era) etc.

Even highly educated (on average) European countries and Western ones are being fooled by politicians and populism.

With people getting dumber and dumber each year we will likely see more of this in the future. Unless AI decides to end us all because we are too stupid.

There are no elties , deep state or any this kind in Egypt.
There is only the army who is a puppet to the americans and western powers.

ok since you brought it , let me ask you , why Europe and U.S tend to give Egypt a third tire military equipments ? like for example , the f-16s without harm or amrram or new versions of side winder?
the rafale without meteor ?
the fremm without nettuno and aster 30 ?
the gowind without the aster 15?
the basic version of abrams ?

etc ..

do you think a faithful army (whose only concern) is Egypt would accept such garbage equipments ? nuh uh.

it's obvious that this army from 1952 just wants to stay in power and that's it, doesn't matter the ppl are poor or hungry or flee in the sea to escape to europe and die drowning.

The UAE , Saudis, Kuwaits and Bahrainins supported the pupper in 2013 however the Saudis now are against him which I hope that will help gettin rid of him.

 

[Aryan_B]

Iran is more stable than Turkey according to minorities.

Turkey's seculars alone form a huge threat towards the current turkish state in anyway against israel or western nation, how about the others ? kurds , alawaities etc.

iran didn't witness any attempt to a military coup unlike turkey.

I think you exagerate Jews and buy into their invincible superman theory.

Dont forget how they got stuffed on 7th Oct

 

[Desert]

I think you exagerate Jews and buy into their invincible superman theory.

Dont forget how they got stuffed on 7th Oct

There is a difference , Hamas and Gaza is a tiny place ( the only style of war they had to learn is guerilla war which was very effective) plus, Gaza is probably 99% sunni .. take a look at turkey and its vast size plus the many minorities.

 

[_Arabia_]

There are no elties , deep state or any this kind in Egypt.
There is only the army who is a puppet to the americans and western powers.

ok since you brought it , let me ask you , why Europe and U.S tend to give Egypt a third tire military equipments ? like for example , the f-16s without harm or amrram or new versions of side winder?
the rafale without meteor ?
the fremm without nettuno and aster 30 ?
the gowind without the aster 15?
the basic version of abrams ?

etc ..

do you think a faithful army (whose only concern) is Egypt would accept such garbage equipments ? nuh uh.

it's obvious that this army from 1952 just wants to stay in power and that's it, doesn't matter the ppl are power or hungry or flee in the sea to escape to europe and die drowning.

The UAE , Saudis, Kuwaits and Bahrainins supported the pupper in 2013 however the Saudis now are against him which I hope that will help gettin rid of him.

Who runs the Egyptian economy if not the army? They have ownership in almost all public Egyptian firms and even private ones. There is not a single industry that the Egyptian army does not have their hands on one way or another.

All the richest people in Egypt have to swear allegiance to the military elites and elites otherwise they will get their property confiscated. It is similar in Russia with the oligarchs (many Jewish) who used to rule Russia in the 1990's (lawlessness era) but when Putin came to power he began to curb their influence and now they are all his puppets doing his bidding because Putin and his friends (the Russian elite) can always kill them and confiscate their property.

I do not disagree with you, this is the reality in most of the Muslim world. Look at the country forum we are currently participating in. Or even this country section, albeit much less in comparison.

Egypt is restrained due to the US/Israel - similar with most of the Arab and Muslim world - especially immediate neighborhood. Nothing new.

I don't think that KSA supported x or y (Morsi lived in KSA, his son still lives in KSA, some of his grandchildren too), KSA just knows who runs Egypt and that we cannot afford chaos in next door Egypt, so betting against the Egyptian army is suicidal in this era and age.

As for changes, only the Egyptian people can do it. Same with every other Arab country (internal affairs).

I doubt that KSA leadership looks at Al-Sisi as anything other than a usurper (ordinary military guy that took over the control of the country) but he (the individual) is representing the country (Egypt) so you need to work with him somehow.

Relations soured a bit due to him thinking that KSA will give him free money. That era ended long ago.

Also Al-Sisi is a military guy. He naturally supports other Arab military regime. Hence his position on Syria (Al-Assad) where KSA was completely opposed for most of the time.

In any case, forget leadership and politics (poison) what matters is what unites people, religion, language, Islamic heritage and history, culture, geography, ancestry, ancient pre-Islamic history and everything else.

I dislike current UAE leadership (Abu Dhabi regime) but I have nothing against the average Emirati Muslim people who are completely against what their leadership is doing in the region by large. Similarly whenever MbS or Saudi Arabian leadership make political blunders or stupid decisions, they do not speak for every Saudi Arabian and only regime bots are blindly following their leadership on every decision. Which we see in the Arab and Muslim world quite often and not only - across the entire world. Therefore politics = poison nowadays. It was always a dirty game throughout human history.

 

[_Arabia_]

There is a difference , Hamas and Gaza is a tiny place ( the only style of war they had to learn is guerilla war which was very effective) plus, Gaza is probably 99% sunni .. take a look at turkey and its vast size plus the many minorities.

You underestimate Kemalism which is the foundation block of Turkiye and what binds an otherwise diverse country (Arabs are the third largest ethnic group in Turkiye). There have been no census based on religion or ethnicity since 1965 either (from what I can recall) which is probably also done deliberately to create societal homogeneity.

Iran is much more diverse and have numerous active insurgencies from Kurds, Baloch to Arab (even if low level).

Modern era emerged on the map during the Safavid era. Go read up on their policies such as this one:

Safavid conversion of Iran to Shia Islam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This was done in order to make themselves different from surrounding Arabs and Ottomans (Sunnis) and to create a more unique state identity.

They use this to this day by supporting Arab and Shia proxies in the region.

Remove this and they have zero influence in the region because nobody outside of Iran cares about some Sassanian king and Zoroastrianism is basically extinct.

Safavids were Kurds who frequently intermarried with Turkic tribes and even Arabs - later they started claiming sadah ancestry.

Speaking about that the non-military elites in Iran, after the conversion to Shia Islam, were mostly imported Arab Shia clerics from modern-day Iraq, South Lebanon and East Arabia (Eastern KSA, Bahrain etc.). The same people represented by Khomeini gained power in 1979.

Hence them acting more Arab than Arabs on many fronts.

As for Israel, as long as they have nuclear weapons (and we Arabs and everybody else other than Pakistan far away does not have nuclear weapons) and their close alliance with the US/West, we will always be at an disadvantage.