I feel ashamed over the treatment of Afghan refugees: Imran Khan

[Pakistan First]

I have not visited Pakistan since 2007 since Musharraf was in power my friend.
Otherwise I have been in Saudi Arabia or Canada.

I visited regularly. I noticed below.

2021 = All seems okay.
2023 = Huge increase in cost of living. Hopelessness
2025 = Massive increase in cost of living.

if N-league could sell their investments in uae and brought back their money even that would help economy massively. They literally have portfolios worth in billions dirhams. especially the ishaq dar family. Shareefs and Also the Zardaris.

We have leaders who invest in other countries but not in their own country. then we say why we are so f--ked.

 

[flyingorca]

With military in charge of security and every affair of the state. Its unfair to judge PTI by seeing KPK post 2021. As post 2021, the new COAS made PTI as his personal vendetta. But KPK did good things from 2013 to 21. From greenery, cleaniness, police, local systems and others. I won't judge them post 2021 as their leaders were imprisoned and all sorts of problems created by the state.

BTW, how's baluchistan doing under Pakistan army's patronage politicians ??

PTI only response to hide their incompetency is always what about this what about that. Since PTI is the most popular party by the means of brain washing people, you guys better provide the answer.
Balochistan is infested with separatist who are supported by India Israel Afghanistan. But i see, lately Maj adil raja and Maj Gurav propaganda seems to be PTI source of information.

PMLN and Fauj maybe corrupt but they are atleast not anti Pakistan like PTI simply due to the fact both Chinq and Iran love Asim Munir and not Imrand Khand.

 

[Pakistan First]

PTI only response to hide their incompetency is always what about this what about that. Since PTI is the most popular party by the means of brain washing people, you guys better provide the answer.
Balochistan is infested with separatist who are supported by India Israel Afghanistan. But i see, lately Maj adil raja and Maj Gurav propaganda seems to be PTI source of information.

PMLN and Fauj maybe corrupt but they are atleast not anti Pakistan like PTI simply due to the fact both Chinq and Iran love Asim Munir and not Imrand Khand.

You haven't said anything concrete. Only narrative pushing. Maj adil raja is ex-Pakistan army service member, he never was and never will be PTI member. It seems to me that perhaps N-league covertly funds him to speak in a manner which looks like aligning himself with PTI. As everyone knows he is a traitor and whoever he align himself will be damaged politically. PTI never need likes of adil raja when party has masses following within the roots of the nation. National heros like late Sajjad haider and a huge list and majority nation supports that party. Its common sense that enemies of PTI deliberately associate adil raja and another ex pak army officer with it. Before all that drama, nobody saw these people running for elections, or speaking in any pti rally. How come they entered into scene post 2021. They are just youtubers who have their very own agenda and they were never part of PTI.

China and Iran has relationship with Pakistan regardless who is in power. However, Asim's mediation is commendable. I appreciate that part but still fundamentally I believe he should have retired long ago as a professional soldier.

 

[hussain0216]

Closing eyes on reality is not a good strategy. The media freedom is taken away. judiciary is placed under the boots. This stuff don't change the reality.

There's been unbelieveable amount of hike in all billings and all sort of essentials in last 5 years. You can't blame a govt before you for entirety especially when the prices were in control during PTI govt and also remember you cut short that govt tenure by almost 2 years.

You are speaking as if you never visited Pakistan in last few years. Compare it with 2021 and you will see a difference like no other.

You do understand the world has had COVID, Russia war, Gaza conflict, Iran war

You do understand the pressure these things put on a state and inflation


If anything, what EXACTLY is PTIs economic policy???

Rather then rock the system, simply explain to me how PTI will improve the economy, are their plans cost-effective and costed etc

I see a lot of pie in the sky, democracy/human rights bullshit out of PTI supporters and ethnocentric people in our country without any further elaboration on what comes after and how they will fix anything and not make it 1000 times worse

 

[Pakistan First]

You do understand the world has had COVID, Russia war, Gaza conflict, Iran war

You do understand the pressure these things put on a state and inflation


If anything, what EXACTLY is PTIs economic policy???

Rather then rock the system, simply explain to me how PTI will improve the economy, are their plans cost-effective and costed etc

I see a lot of pie in the sky, democracy/human rights bullshit out of PTI supporters and ethnocentric people in our country without any further elaboration on what comes after and how they will fix anything and not make it 1000 times worse

LMAO! Its totally lame. You are ruling for 5 years and when you collapse everything then you ask PTI that how you'd fix the economy lol. Its classic lol.

Remember you oust a govt which had prices totally in control and cost of living totally in control despite covid. You removed that govt just because a specific general had to become coas and via him N-league had to come in power as they all knew they'd lose in fair and square elections. Now its been 5 years. Your N-league leaders use to lie in front of cameras that they will reduce prices, they will reduce electricity costs, they will reduce petrol and media was with them. Now look what you did with the country. and after wrecking it you are asking pti of their plan lol? This is the question you should be asking from N-league and its masters. you should ask them that instead fixing economy, you ruined it many times more. Instead fixing security and ending terrorism, you ruined it 10 times more. your questions should be asked at the right direction. Don't protect them unconditionally. That is your dilemma.

The golden rule is you always question the one in power. You don't question the ones who are escaping wrath of the state or are spending their lives in prisons.

 

[hussain0216]

LMAO! Its totally lame. You are ruling for 5 years and when you collapse everything then you ask PTI that how you'd fix the economy lol. Its classic lol.

Remember you oust a govt which had prices totally in control and cost of living totally in control despite covid. You removed that govt just because a specific general had to become coas and via him N-league had to come in power as they all knew they'd lose in fair and square elections. Now its been 5 years. Your N-league leaders use to lie in front of cameras that they will reduce prices, they will reduce electricity costs, they will reduce petrol and media was with them. Now look what you did with the country. and after wrecking it you are asking pti of their plan lol? This is the question you should be asking from N-league and its masters. you should ask them that instead fixing economy, you ruined it many times more. Instead fixing security and ending terrorism, you ruined it 10 times more. your questions should be asked at the right direction. Don't protect them unconditionally. That is your dilemma.

The golden rule is you always question the one in power. You don't question the ones who are escaping wrath of the state or are spending their lives in prisons.

I am asking, What's the point in a CHAOTIC change, when PTI has no plans

Look, our system is shit

But the only real option is a hybrid one party system, where all parties are involved

The revolving door system going from one lannats to another has never worked

Trusting out Jahil ethnocentric awam go make intelligent decisions isn't going to work



Better just go calm the fcuk down and get on with this hybrid system and actually start implementing some plans for Pakistan and bringing some changes



Let's be honest
PTI has ZERO plans on how to run the state
We have donkeys everywhere, some asking for durrand line to be erased, others that no one from other parts of the country come to the area or they will murder them, in other places idiots challenging state interests I. Kashmir

This chaos is POISON



This pie in the sky, pot at the end of the rainbow shit from PTI Fanboys simply won't work
PTI has no plans beyond, Imran Khan is the Messiah and is destined to rule Pakistan and bring about the new dawn


Democracy doesn't work for Pakistan, let's just put our heads down and deal with the challenges we have

 

[Pakistan First]

I am asking, What's the point in a CHAOTIC change, when PTI has no plans

Look, our system is shit

But the only real option is a hybrid one party system, where all parties are involved

The revolving door system going from one lannats to another has never worked

Trusting out Jahil ethnocentric awam go make intelligent decisions isn't going to work



Better just go calm the fcuk down and get on with this hybrid system and actually start implementing some plans for Pakistan and bringing some changes



Let's be honest
PTI has ZERO plans on how to run the state
We have donkeys everywhere, some asking for durrand line to be erased, others that no one from other parts of the country come to the area or they will murder them, in other places idiots challenging state interests I. Kashmir

This chaos is POISON



This pie in the sky, pot at the end of the rainbow shit from PTI Fanboys simply won't work
PTI has no plans beyond, Imran Khan is the Messiah and is destined to rule Pakistan and bring about the new dawn


Democracy doesn't work for Pakistan, let's just put our heads down and deal with the challenges we have

FK PTI. You guys don't get it.

Point is, there should be civilian supremacy and only the mandated party should rule. It could be pti or any XYZ. A party sitting in laps of one general or another party coming to power sitting in laps of another general would keep only playing power games of Generals. These Generals don't get into power for the country. Its their own desire or lust for power. That is the whole issue. There is no system, no accountability behind it.

If you say that our awaam are jahil and cannot elect proper leaders then that is wrong theory. India has improved its economy a lot because their govts face accountability by their nation every 5 years. Their awaam are as much jahil as ours. Secondly if our awaam are jahil then remember the generals also come from the same awaam. they are same lot. Hybrid system won't work ever.

Military should work under law n constitution and under the civil govt. They should have no business in politics. They should remain strictly professional. Govt should be held accountable by nation with free and fair elections backed by strong and independent judiciary. That is only recipe to success.

 

[That_Guy]

You are such a snow flake. You deserve a ban for using such language. But what can we expect from Imrandos.

You are, by far, the worst people on this forum

 

[flyingorca]

You are, by far, the worst people on this forum

Dont be a cry baby, just block me or ignore me.

 

[flyingorca]

You haven't said anything concrete. Only narrative pushing. Maj adil raja is ex-Pakistan army service member, he never was and never will be PTI member. It seems to me that perhaps N-league covertly funds him to speak in a manner which looks like aligning himself with PTI. As everyone knows he is a traitor and whoever he align himself will be damaged politically. PTI never need likes of adil raja when party has masses following within the roots of the nation. National heros like late Sajjad haider and a huge list and majority nation supports that party. Its common sense that enemies of PTI deliberately associate adil raja and another ex pak army officer with it. Before all that drama, nobody saw these people running for elections, or speaking in any pti rally. How come they entered into scene post 2021. They are just youtubers who have their very own agenda and they were never part of PTI.

China and Iran has relationship with Pakistan regardless who is in power. However, Asim's mediation is commendable. I appreciate that part but still fundamentally I believe he should have retired long ago as a professional soldier.

Most of Adil Raja followers are PTI followers. Some PTI fans told me that its a norm in military to share their wives, i asked them for source and they said Adil Raja. This is one example of how PTI zombies get brain washed. My response was what has PTI done to tackle bacha bazi in KPK? Their response was its all propaganda so I showed them multiple documentaries on how truck drivers at night sleep with young boys and no one gives a f. Its embedded in KPK culture but hi, PTI tiger warriors are more concerned about Epstein file then they are concerned about cleaning their own backyard. I am not even Punjabi so dont play this victim card. I am just sick of hypocrite Imran Khan supporters who think only they have the truth.
Coming back to Adil Raja, which PTI official has declared him traitor or anti PTI agent? None. They all support him.

China will not tolerate a CIA agent being in charge of Pakistan neither would Iran. Its not any different from pro Israel government taking over Iran and China and Pakistan would be ok with that. My point is, PTI followers constantly spread propaganda against Asim Munir that he is Israeli or American puppet but fail to realize that China will not tolerate pro US regime in Pakistan.

 

[HAIDER]

Most of Adil Raja followers are PTI followers. Some PTI fans told me that its a norm in military to share their wives, i asked them for source and they said Adil Raja. This is one example of how PTI zombies get brain washed. My response was what has PTI done to tackle bacha bazi in KPK? Their response was its all propaganda so I showed them multiple documentaries on how truck drivers at night sleep with young boys and no one gives a f. Its embedded in KPK culture but hi, PTI tiger warriors are more concerned about Epstein file then they are concerned about cleaning their own backyard. I am not even Punjabi so dont play this victim card. I am just sick of hypocrite Imran Khan supporters who think only they have the truth.
Coming back to Adil Raja, which PTI official has declared him traitor or anti PTI agent? None. They all support him.

China will not tolerate a CIA agent being in charge of Pakistan neither would Iran. Its not any different from pro Israel government taking over Iran and China and Pakistan would be ok with that. My point is, PTI followers constantly spread propaganda against Asim Munir that he is Israeli or American puppet but fail to realize that China will not tolerate pro US regime in Pakistan.

You are over estimating China, last man who willing to send army to defend Pakistani border against India was Chairman Mao. Chinese never confront US. Read in the deep details of Tianaman Square 1989. You will find lot of answers.

 

[flyingorca]

With military in charge of security and every affair of the state. Its unfair to judge PTI by seeing KPK post 2021. As post 2021, the new COAS made PTI as his personal vendetta. But KPK did good things from 2013 to 21. From greenery, cleaniness, police, local systems and others. I won't judge them post 2021 as their leaders were imprisoned and all sorts of problems created by the state.

BTW, how's baluchistan doing under Pakistan army's patronage politicians ??

Show me cleanliness mechanism PTI implemented that was so successful and sustainable before 2021? So basically post 2021, PTI is just useless in KPK that they cant even handle such easy task such as cleanliness? Why hasnt Imran Khan shaoor worked in KPK people that they changed their bad habits and became good citizens?
Not a supporter of Mariym Nawaz but atleast that girl has turned Punjab around.

 

[flyingorca]

You are over estimating China, last man who willing to send army to defend Pakistani border against India was Chairman Mao. Chinese never confront US. Read in the deep details of Tianaman Square 1989. You will find lot of answers.

China will not fight wars for other nations. Heck they are even hesitant to take over Taiwan by military means. China has provided necessary tools to Pakistan to defend its border. Space, air, land, ad navy is all Chinese TOT.
Thank god PTI is out of the picture other wise they would have lost important ally like China. The only ally Pakistan would have had with full PTI rule would be Afghanistan with knee deep up Pakistan's 2ss because saaar everything belongs to afgan brothers saaar. We are just the punjabi army occupying on afghan land.