Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Persian Gulf said:
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Wide ranging strikes by the US

I don’t understand why IRGC continues with ‘its you strike then I strike’ mentality. Fill the skies with drones and missiles and confuse the enemy.
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My guess is considerations on controlling escalation ladder, because longevity of war harms the collective GCC and West more than they can stomach. Also you cannot let things go out of hand, India and Pakistan followed a similar pattern for those few days
 
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This hambuger eating pig, like Lind-gay graham, thinks he will live on forever. He has still a lot of fantasies, defeating Iran, Cuba, conquering Greenland, taxing Hormuz, but the clock is ticking as well, he has 2,5 years to go.

Hopefully we'll see a 3 month blockade of Hormuz and Bab-al-Mandab to destroy his second term and weaken USA.
 
Honestly, It was a mistake by Iran by hitting commercial ships just because they used different route in SOH. Nobody would accept Iran tolling the straits anyways. They would rather accept the strait to be closed but never to be in control of Iran and paying it for passage.

The negotiations were going on, Blockade on Iranian ports was lifted, Iran was already negotiating for sanctions relief and possibly assets to be unfrozen. But attacking the commercial ships changed everything.

More importantly, Iran had all the support from the world (atleast overwhelming public support even from the western countries) because Iran was attacked unprovoked and Iran was only defending itself. But attacking commercial ships during ceasefire is not "defending itself". World and its people hate to see oil prices going up because of Iran trying to control international waterway. After these attacks many NATO countries condemn Iran. UK proscribed IRGC as terror organisation. NATO also says US had every right to respond. Its same NATO which declined to participate in US/Israel war and Trump was furious on it.

Also if war prolongs then Iran has already played all its cards, there's nothing much left to play. While US can bring more and more assets. US knows Iran do not have any air power or naval power. US warships are simply immune to Iranian coastal missiles.

IMHO, Iran should have taken the ceasefire / MoU as a victory and should have avoided hitting commercial ships. It needed time and money to build its capabilities before restarting the war.
 
Pakistan First said:
Honestly, It was a mistake by Iran by hitting commercial ships just because they used different route in SOH. Nobody would accept Iran tolling the straits anyways. They would rather accept the strait to be closed but never to be in control of Iran and paying it for passage.
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Will you accept paying the Americans a 20% toll versus a 1-2% toll that the Iranians are asking for?

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Pakistan First said:
Honestly, It was a mistake by Iran by hitting commercial ships just because they used different route in SOH. Nobody would accept Iran tolling the straits anyways. They would rather accept the strait to be closed but never to be in control of Iran and paying it for passage.

The negotiations were going on, Blockade on Iranian ports was lifted, Iran was already negotiating for sanctions relief and possibly assets to be unfrozen. But attacking the commercial ships changed everything.

More importantly, Iran had all the support from the world (atleast overwhelming public support even from the western countries) because Iran was attacked unprovoked and Iran was only defending itself. But attacking commercial ships during ceasefire is not "defending itself". World and its people hate to see oil prices going up because of Iran trying to control international waterway. After these attacks many NATO countries condemn Iran. UK proscribed IRGC as terror organisation. NATO also says US had every right to respond. Its same NATO which declined to participate in US/Israel war and Trump was furious on it.

Also if war prolongs then Iran has already played all its cards, there's nothing much left to play. While US can bring more and more assets. US knows Iran do not have any air power or naval power. US warships are simply immune to Iranian coastal missiles.

IMHO, Iran should have taken the ceasefire / MoU as a victory and should have avoided hitting commercial ships. It needed time and money to build its capabilities before restarting the war.
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Agreements/MOU's with west are fake and void, no western country follows any agreement. North-Korea and Russia know this. Only way to exit the deadlock with west is thermo-nuclear weapons, chemical weapons and Hypersonic ICBMs.
 
Ali_Baba said:
All previous reports of China supplying Iran in the middle of a war have proven to be incorrect, and I suspect this one will be too.

There is no evidence that China has provided any radar & air defense equipment to then, or now... This twitter post handle is unreliable on top aswell..
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The picture of airframes of Shaheds in a building that you criticized correctly because geolocalization is a proof of Chinese help. Irán assembled their Shaheds in honeycomb airframes but Chinese did in poliestirene plastic, which is extremely cheaper and easy to produce. Those airframes came from China I am pretty sure as I saw before a Chinese assembly line of Shaheds with this injected plastic airframes. I am pretty sure but don't find the videos.
 
If Iran can't develop nukes, at least start a chemical and bacteriological weapon program

Same efficacity as nukes and easier to make, requires no big facility and can kill even more people than nukes
 
Pakistan First said:
Honestly, It was a mistake by Iran by hitting commercial ships just because they used different route in SOH. Nobody would accept Iran tolling the straits anyways. They would rather accept the strait to be closed but never to be in control of Iran and paying it for passage.
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Yes, this is what Trita Parsi also recently said: Iran could have sent a message to those sea captains in a different way than hitting with lethal force. He also said that America's reaction to that was also too much.
 
Yasser76 said:
Seems true, really bad move by the UK, very short sighted

www.bbc.co.uk

UK government proscribes Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps

Shabana Mahmood will use new powers to ban support for the group, which has been linked to death threats and intimidation on British soil.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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British people are extremely stupid.

They got outside of the EU because they hated UE burocracy and agenda.

They got a drop of 4.5% gross national rent just to adopt US international agenda.

Saudis at least got a donkey for King by divine right, but British people choosed theirs democratically.

They did the same with Palestine Action just to understand that maybe 70% of British people still support Palestine Action.

And I am pretty sure another 60 or more pertentage of British people have better oppinion of IRGC than US armed force.

These contradictions will grind British Kingdom in few years.

Anyway you can see similar trends in France or another parts of Europe. What a European patriot can still be supporting US?. Just a stupid.
 
Pakistan First said:
Honestly, It was a mistake by Iran by hitting commercial ships just because they used different route in SOH. Nobody would accept Iran tolling the straits anyways. They would rather accept the strait to be closed but never to be in control of Iran and paying it for passage.

The negotiations were going on, Blockade on Iranian ports was lifted, Iran was already negotiating for sanctions relief and possibly assets to be unfrozen. But attacking the commercial ships changed everything.

More importantly, Iran had all the support from the world (atleast overwhelming public support even from the western countries) because Iran was attacked unprovoked and Iran was only defending itself. But attacking commercial ships during ceasefire is not "defending itself". World and its people hate to see oil prices going up because of Iran trying to control international waterway. After these attacks many NATO countries condemn Iran. UK proscribed IRGC as terror organisation. NATO also says US had every right to respond. Its same NATO which declined to participate in US/Israel war and Trump was furious on it.

Also if war prolongs then Iran has already played all its cards, there's nothing much left to play. While US can bring more and more assets. US knows Iran do not have any air power or naval power. US warships are simply immune to Iranian coastal missiles.

IMHO, Iran should have taken the ceasefire / MoU as a victory and should have avoided hitting commercial ships. It needed time and money to build its capabilities before restarting the war.
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Maybe. I think the Omani route attempts show that the US never intended to implement the MoU in spirit and was merely using all the negotiations and documents process to weaken Iran and re-arm itself. That follows the same pattern we saw last year and this year where the US and Israel attacked during negotiations. Trump is corrupt compromised and unstable.

I am now thinking this whole conflict ends only when the US runs out of precision weapons and interceptors.
 
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