Persian Gulf
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Much easier for them to hit Saudi than Israel
Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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Persian Gulf
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r3alist
Elite Member
My guess is considerations on controlling escalation ladder, because longevity of war harms the collective GCC and West more than they can stomach. Also you cannot let things go out of hand, India and Pakistan followed a similar pattern for those few days
shapurzolaktaf
Registered Member
This hambuger eating pig, like Lind-gay graham, thinks he will live on forever. He has still a lot of fantasies, defeating Iran, Cuba, conquering Greenland, taxing Hormuz, but the clock is ticking as well, he has 2,5 years to go.
Hopefully we'll see a 3 month blockade of Hormuz and Bab-al-Mandab to destroy his second term and weaken USA.
Pakistan First
Registered Member
Honestly, It was a mistake by Iran by hitting commercial ships just because they used different route in SOH. Nobody would accept Iran tolling the straits anyways. They would rather accept the strait to be closed but never to be in control of Iran and paying it for passage.
The negotiations were going on, Blockade on Iranian ports was lifted, Iran was already negotiating for sanctions relief and possibly assets to be unfrozen. But attacking the commercial ships changed everything.
More importantly, Iran had all the support from the world (atleast overwhelming public support even from the western countries) because Iran was attacked unprovoked and Iran was only defending itself. But attacking commercial ships during ceasefire is not "defending itself". World and its people hate to see oil prices going up because of Iran trying to control international waterway. After these attacks many NATO countries condemn Iran. UK proscribed IRGC as terror organisation. NATO also says US had every right to respond. Its same NATO which declined to participate in US/Israel war and Trump was furious on it.
Also if war prolongs then Iran has already played all its cards, there's nothing much left to play. While US can bring more and more assets. US knows Iran do not have any air power or naval power. US warships are simply immune to Iranian coastal missiles.
IMHO, Iran should have taken the ceasefire / MoU as a victory and should have avoided hitting commercial ships. It needed time and money to build its capabilities before restarting the war.
The negotiations were going on, Blockade on Iranian ports was lifted, Iran was already negotiating for sanctions relief and possibly assets to be unfrozen. But attacking the commercial ships changed everything.
More importantly, Iran had all the support from the world (atleast overwhelming public support even from the western countries) because Iran was attacked unprovoked and Iran was only defending itself. But attacking commercial ships during ceasefire is not "defending itself". World and its people hate to see oil prices going up because of Iran trying to control international waterway. After these attacks many NATO countries condemn Iran. UK proscribed IRGC as terror organisation. NATO also says US had every right to respond. Its same NATO which declined to participate in US/Israel war and Trump was furious on it.
Also if war prolongs then Iran has already played all its cards, there's nothing much left to play. While US can bring more and more assets. US knows Iran do not have any air power or naval power. US warships are simply immune to Iranian coastal missiles.
IMHO, Iran should have taken the ceasefire / MoU as a victory and should have avoided hitting commercial ships. It needed time and money to build its capabilities before restarting the war.
Professor Jiang
Registered Member
Will you accept paying the Americans a 20% toll versus a 1-2% toll that the Iranians are asking for?
shapurzolaktaf
Registered Member
Agreements/MOU's with west are fake and void, no western country follows any agreement. North-Korea and Russia know this. Only way to exit the deadlock with west is thermo-nuclear weapons, chemical weapons and Hypersonic ICBMs.
Flotilla
Trusted Member
The picture of airframes of Shaheds in a building that you criticized correctly because geolocalization is a proof of Chinese help. Irán assembled their Shaheds in honeycomb airframes but Chinese did in poliestirene plastic, which is extremely cheaper and easy to produce. Those airframes came from China I am pretty sure as I saw before a Chinese assembly line of Shaheds with this injected plastic airframes. I am pretty sure but don't find the videos.
tsunset
The Legend
If Iran can't develop nukes, at least start a chemical and bacteriological weapon program
Same efficacity as nukes and easier to make, requires no big facility and can kill even more people than nukes
Same efficacity as nukes and easier to make, requires no big facility and can kill even more people than nukes
Meengla
Elite Member
Yes, this is what Trita Parsi also recently said: Iran could have sent a message to those sea captains in a different way than hitting with lethal force. He also said that America's reaction to that was also too much.
Flotilla
Trusted Member
British people are extremely stupid.Seems true, really bad move by the UK, very short sighted
UK government proscribes Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps
Shabana Mahmood will use new powers to ban support for the group, which has been linked to death threats and intimidation on British soil.www.bbc.co.uk
They got outside of the EU because they hated UE burocracy and agenda.
They got a drop of 4.5% gross national rent just to adopt US international agenda.
Saudis at least got a donkey for King by divine right, but British people choosed theirs democratically.
They did the same with Palestine Action just to understand that maybe 70% of British people still support Palestine Action.
And I am pretty sure another 60 or more pertentage of British people have better oppinion of IRGC than US armed force.
These contradictions will grind British Kingdom in few years.
Anyway you can see similar trends in France or another parts of Europe. What a European patriot can still be supporting US?. Just a stupid.
Watandar
Trusted Member
Maybe. I think the Omani route attempts show that the US never intended to implement the MoU in spirit and was merely using all the negotiations and documents process to weaken Iran and re-arm itself. That follows the same pattern we saw last year and this year where the US and Israel attacked during negotiations. Trump is corrupt compromised and unstable.
I am now thinking this whole conflict ends only when the US runs out of precision weapons and interceptors.
tsunset
The Legend
So far all he is taking is missile shots on his ****hole bases
