China backed cooper mine threatens Pakistan shutdown over security risk

[wangdefa]

You have GOT TO have some sort of qualification to work in some of these areas

Some sort of work history, a secure background

Regardless of who was employed, the point is across the world this is how you start investment and change in a area, one project brings another project and then slowly and gradually economic activity increases and benefits the locals and everyone


If on day one , the country takes multi billion debt to start projects and the locals block the streets with their usual dance and threaten violence, spread propaganda and scare away any investment

Then not only has the state suffered for taking on needless debt, but the local retards never see any changes whatsoever

The jahilat of the locals is incredible in these areas

China ranks provinces annually based on their investment attraction lists. To improve their rankings, provincial governments often travel outside their regions to negotiate with businesses, offering tax cuts, reduced rents, and other cost reductions to attract a large number of investors, create jobs, and promote population growth. Various indicators are used each year to evaluate government performance, and these indicators also influence the career development of local officials.


So I want to ask, why are there investors willing to invest locally, and why are the local people dancing in the streets to stop the government? I just can't understand.
Why would locals threaten the government to abandon investments in the area?
Don't the governments across Pakistan have relevant indicators?

 

[hussain0216]

China ranks provinces annually based on their investment attraction lists. To improve their rankings, provincial governments often travel outside their regions to negotiate with businesses, offering tax cuts, reduced rents, and other cost reductions to attract a large number of investors, create jobs, and promote population growth. Various indicators are used each year to evaluate government performance, and these indicators also influence the career development of local officials.


So I want to ask, why are there investors willing to invest locally, and why are the local people dancing in the streets to stop the government? I just can't understand.
Why would locals threaten the government to abandon investments in the area?

No one can

You are thinking logically, and this will work in a functional state like China

In these backwards areas the locals are violent, ignorant, backwards, don't even have basic sense and very very ethnocentric

So the state has a high security bill just trying to secure areas, the locals COMPLICIT with the chaos and then are the first to complain about lack of development, investment or jobs

Development is happening, but it's at a slow pace because of the high cost of security and the locals who simply won't let development happen

 

[wangdefa]

No one can

You are thinking logically, and this will work in a functional state like China

In these backwards areas the locals are violent, ignorant, backwards, don't even have basic sense and very very ethnocentric

So the state has a high security bill just trying to secure areas, the locals COMPLICIT with the chaos and then are the first to complain about lack of development, investment or jobs

Development is happening, but it's at a slow pace because of the high cost of security and the locals who simply won't let development happen

It is precisely because of the local poverty that the local government needs to go to the grassroots level to popularize knowledge among the locals. Taking rural China as an example, a large number of rural revitalization plans are being implemented. Village leaders need to address issues such as increasing villagers' income, land use, and value enhancement, which are not problems that individual villagers can independently solve.
To this end, the rural government regularly holds village meetings to educate villagers, informing them that they need to consolidate land to build factories for rent or pool local resources to establish rural enterprises. The government takes the lead in seeking external investment funds or expanding business operations, aiming to diversify income sources. Development is tailored to local characteristics, with each village taking a different path—some focusing on tourism, others on industrial zones, and some on large-scale agricultural production. The local government has invested significant time in promoting these policies.

 

[hussain0216]

It is precisely because of the local poverty that the local government needs to go to the grassroots level to popularize knowledge among the locals. Taking rural China as an example, a large number of rural revitalization plans are being implemented. Village leaders need to address issues such as increasing villagers' income, land use, and value enhancement, which are not problems that individual villagers can independently solve.
To this end, the rural government regularly holds village meetings to educate villagers, informing them that they need to consolidate land to build factories for rent or pool local resources to establish rural enterprises. The government takes the lead in seeking external investment funds or expanding business operations, aiming to diversify income sources. Development is tailored to local characteristics, with each village taking a different path—some focusing on tourism, others on industrial zones, and some on large-scale agricultural production. The local government has invested significant time in promoting these policies.

And all that is indeed possible

The difference is VIOLENCE, the Chinese poor may have been poverty-stricken or uneducated (pre development) but beyond the usual criminal elements they were not violent
They did not kill travellers or teachers or Chinese from other provinces who came to work or visit

So whilst you have made some great suggestions, our basic problem first starts with SECURITY

And Balochistan is BIG, it's the size of France so providing security for that kind of areas when the locals are complicit in the chaos, makes the entire process very very slow


One day, maybe we will get there, but it will take many years because the locals can't calm down and let any development take root and attract investment



CPEC is still ongoing, and Pakistan took Billions in debt to try and bring development to these areas.
But rather then let development happen we still have major security incidents

If we wait for security to improve, then we will be waiting forever

So our only current option, is limited investment and development, bit by bit trying to keep security under control

 

[Feroze]

https://www.ft.com/content/0579db3f-3279-43f0-a7a8-85a4b2e81c8f?syn-25a6b1a6=1

You should only post from reputable news agencies.

Such as Dawn, Arab News, BBC, Xinhua, Al Jazeera.

 

[313Ghazi]

You have GOT TO have some sort of qualification to work in some of these areas

Some sort of work history, a secure background

Regardless of who was employed, the point is across the world this is how you start investment and change in a area, one project brings another project and then slowly and gradually economic activity increases and benefits the locals and everyone


If on day one , the country takes multi billion debt to start projects and the locals block the streets with their usual dance and threaten violence, spread propaganda and scare away any investment

Then not only has the state suffered for taking on needless debt, but the local retards never see any changes whatsoever

The jahilat of the locals is incredible in these areas

Bro, on any project they're going to need labourers. They could have hired locals, pay them a decent rate. Train them even. It was a golden opportunity to tame our wild west.

Kenya for example had a 2:1 rule for CPEC projects - for every Chinese worker, 2 Kenyans were trained to do that role. The state could have funded that, especially in roles that were semi skilled or vocational.

There are certain elements that would have never have been happy. The waderas in Balochistan want Balochistan underdeveloped. It suits them. They get to be kings and the locals are their serfs. The state funds them to maintain control.

The state continues to facilitate them because no democratic representative alternative is developed.

 

[wangdefa]

And all that is indeed possible

The difference is VIOLENCE, the Chinese poor may have been poverty-stricken or uneducated (pre development) but beyond the usual criminal elements they were not violent
They did not kill travellers or teachers or Chinese from other provinces who came to work or visit

So whilst you have made some great suggestions, our basic problem first starts with SECURITY

And Balochistan is BIG, it's the size of France so providing security for that kind of areas when the locals are complicit in the chaos, makes the entire process very very slow


One day, maybe we will get there, but it will take many years because the locals can't calm down and let any development take root and attract investment



CPEC is still ongoing, and Pakistan took Billions in debt to try and bring development to these areas.
But rather then let development happen we still have major security incidents

If we wait for security to improve, then we will be waiting forever

So our only current option, is limited investment and development, bit by bit trying to keep security under control

Since I am not a Pakistani, I do not know the locals well, but what you mentioned about chaos, violence, killings, and a lack of security.
So, let's gradually break down the issue: what are the violent actions of the locals, and what are their demands? There is always a fundamental cause behind each problem.
Gang culture? Local government corruption? Unequal distribution? Psychological grievances? Is opposing the government a cool thing to do?
Or religious beliefs?

When you mention ethnic culture, do you mean gang culture? Like fighting over territory?

 

[Master Chief]

If it is fake news, why did the government announce it is increasing security instead of suing the Financial Times in London ? Just because a face-saving denial statement has been issued at sarkari behest doesn't mean the original story is not true. FT is one of the most credible newspapers in the world and doesn't publish stories without verifying their sources.

And where exactly does litigation against a newspaper get one?

FT has an agenda and you are being disingenuous to ignore that.

The only surefire way to reverse malevolent propaganda is to be in a position to write the truth in the first place.

Even Trump struggles to litigate succesfully against media organisations, yet individuals like you would have Pakistan piss in the wind for months on end.

 

[safriz]

Did you see the bit where Balochis were being denied access to Gwadar and not being employed in the development of the CPEC project?

Yes I did.
Employability is also a criteria. Just being from that are doesn't suffice .

 

[Owaiz]

China ranks provinces annually based on their investment attraction lists. To improve their rankings, provincial governments often travel outside their regions to negotiate with businesses, offering tax cuts, reduced rents, and other cost reductions to attract a large number of investors, create jobs, and promote population growth. Various indicators are used each year to evaluate government performance, and these indicators also influence the career development of local officials.


So I want to ask, why are there investors willing to invest locally, and why are the local people dancing in the streets to stop the government? I just can't understand.
Why would locals threaten the government to abandon investments in the area?
Don't the governments across Pakistan have relevant indicators?

You can't seriously compare the governance models of China and Pakistan. Till the 1970s , Pakistan's per capita GDP used to be higher than that of China. Since then, China has been one of the great economic miracles in the history of mankind whereas Pakistan has been one of the worst managed states. But to answer your question, it is a common grievance among the the common Pakistani people outside those that control the levers of power that their resources are exploited solely for the benefit of the ruling classes and common people see very little of the benefits. The people who protest or even take up arms don't see the foreign investment as development that will improve their lives but as a theft of their local resources.

 

[Owaiz]

And where exactly does litigation against a newspaper get one?

FT has an agenda and you are being disingenuous to ignore that.

The only surefire way to reverse malevolent propaganda is to be in a position to write the truth in the first place.

Even Trump struggles to litigate succesfully against media organisations, yet individuals like you would have Pakistan piss in the wind for months on end.

You should know that UK has friendlier defamation laws than the US.

Anyway, the point is that while the FT may well have an agenda that is reflected in their editorial opinion, it is inconceivable that they will cook up the existence of a letter that is fake or does not exist. No one from the government has challenged the factual aspects of their story. And everyone knows what the security situation in Balochistan is like. Even Barrick has publicly disclosed that their Reko Diq project is on hold for a security review. So, what specifically is fake or even implausible about what the FT has reported ?