Afghan women / Girls bar from education and job.

[LegionnairE]

no doubt taking U.S. diplomats prisoner was an extremely reckless act. the problem with the blame game is that each side can point to something earlier, e.g. was the 1953 coup not an act of war?

regardless, even without the hostage crisis I am inclined to think the US would impose sanctions on Iran/Iranians. the US refuses to tolerate any openly anti-US world order regime

Sure I never said it was fair. Americans are actively arming terrorist groups against Turkey. Should we storm incirlik and take their troops prisoner?

The thing about escalations is, you never know how mild or extreme your opponent may react.

Only major military engagement I can recall is Operation Praying mantis. Even there the Americans were content with sinking an Iranian frigate and some auxiliary ships then they stopped. They probably could've done much more.


Restraint is the name of the game and actually Iranians are usually pretty good at this. The aftermath of the Suleimani assassination was managed rather well. But since then, the temperatures are rising.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Sure I never said it was fair. Americans are actively arming terrorist groups against Turkey. Should we storm incirlik and take their troops prisoner?

The thing about escalations is, you never know how mild or extreme your opponent may react.

Only major military engagement I can recall is Operation Praying mantis. Even there the Americans were content with sinking an Iranian frigate and some auxiliary ships then they stopped. They probably could've done much more.

Actually Iranians are usually pretty good at this. The aftermath of the Suleimani assassination was managed rather well. But since then, the temperatures are rising.

the only major miscalculation from iran was the hostage crisis and that was in the middle of a revolution before the IRI really established control

operation praying mantis was not really an engagement, it was 8 years into the iran-iraq war (1988) in the context of the US supplying Saddam with chemical weapons and intelligence which meant Iran's counteroffensive into Iraq had stalled (Khomeini famously prohibited Iran from responding with our own chemical strikes against Iraqi forces). One Iranian mine hit a US ship (or rather, the ship hit the mine), killing nobody, and in response the US did what the ICJ called a very disproportionate and unnecessary response (killing 56 Iranians)

Only 3 months later, the US also shot down an Iranian civilian airliner over the Persian Gulf (Iran Air Flight 655), killing 290 civilians (and the US later awarded the American terrorist who did it a medal of honour).

temperatures rising are largely because of the US: Trump tears up the JCPOA in 2018 which the UNSC had unanimously endorsed only 3 years prior. Biden gets elected but then reneges on his promise to re-enter the JCPOA and prefers to ignore Iran altogether (as much as possible without seeming weak). Now Trump may be returning so god knows what that will bring.

 

[RescueRanger]

the only major miscalculation from iran was the hostage crisis and that was in the middle of a revolution before the IRI really established control

operation praying mantis was not really an engagement, it was 8 years into the iran-iraq war (1988) in the context of the US supplying Saddam with chemical weapons and intelligence which meant Iran's counteroffensive into Iraq had stalled (Khomeini famously prohibited Iran from responding with our own chemical strikes against Iraqi forces). One Iranian mine hit a US ship (or rather, the ship hit the mine), killing nobody, and in response the US did what the ICJ called a very disproportionate and unnecessary response (killing 56 Iranians)

Only 3 months later, the US also shot down an Iranian civilian airliner over the Persian Gulf (Iran Air Flight 655), killing 290 civilians (and the US later awarded the American terrorist who did it a medal of honour).

temperatures rising are largely because of the US: Trump tears up the JCPOA in 2018 which the UNSC had unanimously endorsed only 3 years prior. Biden gets elected but then reneges on his promise to re-enter the JCPOA and prefers to ignore Iran altogether (as much as possible without seeming weak). Now Trump may be returning so god knows what that will bring.

Personally I strongly believe that diplomatic missions should never be attacked, the 1979 storming of the US Embassy in Pakistan was a dark moment in our history and the only people who died were two USMC (Marine Security Guards) who were shot and killed by rioters and a Pakistani Janitor.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Personally I strongly believe that diplomatic missions should never be attacked, the 1979 storming of the US Embassy in Pakistan was a dark moment in our history and the only people who died were two USMC (Marine Security Guards) who were shot and killed by rioters and a Pakistani Janitor.

angry rioters can see embassies as valid targets as they invariably host spies and can be used to lead intelligence operations against their host country

but in that scenario you are better off expelling the diplomats, rather than taking them hostage or killing them

ironically in 1998 the Taliban murdered 11 Iranian diplomats (due to Iran's support for the Northern Alliance against the Taliban), bringing Iran and Taliban to the brink of all out war

 

[LegionnairE]

the only major miscalculation from iran was the hostage crisis and that was in the middle of a revolution before the IRI really established control

Yes, that could be excused but they could've released those hostages as soon as order was established.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Yes, that could be excused but they could've released those hostages as soon as order was established.

Yes true, Khomeini then backed the revolutionaries for a long time, that was a mistake in hindsight. Although somewhat understandable given those revolutionaries had just brought Khomeini into power, he didn't want to throw them under the bus (and revolutionary fervour was at its peak).

 

[War Lord]

Girls in Afghanistan can go to school up to 6th grade.

Anyone who says otherwise is peddling bs fake news against the Taliban and Afghans/Afghanistan like OP here. Women also can't go to Unis in Afghanistan.

Believe me or not, there's actually no need for women to go to Unis when skills can be learned in much shorter (3-18 months) life span.

Afghans will keep doing better while the rest of world runs a negative birth rate.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Believe me or not, there's actually no need for women to go to Unis when skills can be learned in much shorter (3-18 months) life span.

so men are too stupid to learn those skills in 3-18 months like women?

 

[War Lord]

so men are too stupid to learn those skills in 3-18 months like women?

They can too. What's your point?

 

[Persian Gulf]

They can too. What's your point?

so women don't need to go to university because they can learn skills in 3-18 months instead

men can also learn those skills in 3-18 months but they do need to go to university?

do you read what you post or just go with vibes

 

[Persian Gulf]

Now that I'm not "speed limited", I'll reply:

There's a 100 reasons why it's not necessary for women to go to college/uni; along with a 100 similar reasons why they're better off not going.

100 reasons why I hope you don't have daughters

Here's a screenshot of Reason #1:
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afghans do better at what exactly

 

[Persian Gulf]

Everything.

Unlike their Western or Eastern neighbors, they don't have a rise in Atheism in their country and have also successfully spanked invaders.

Both Iran & Pakistan have been utterly colonized, either physically or culturally.

Iran was divided between UK/Russia at one point and Pakistan was under the British Raj once upon a time.

Let's not forget that Iranian women were happily burning Hijabs or throwing them in garbage while dancing few months/years ago. Pakistani women aren't much further behind.

Afghanistan is still physically and culturally Afghan and Islamic. And it'll be so for a long time as long as Afghan men are Afghan men.

Afghanistan is the most conquered nation (to the extent it can be called a nation and not a fake modern colonial construct) in history, please stop joking

 

[PakAl]

According to this Taliban leader, primary level education is open and universities but secondary is banned due to the Islamic elder scholars, the taliban don't want to have disagreements with them which may lead to problems. It seems like the hardliners are not allowing it.

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[Persian Gulf]

According to this Taliban leader, primary level education is open and universities but secondary is banned due to the Islamic elder scholars, the taliban don't want to have disagreements with them which may lead to problems. It seems like the hardliners are not allowing it.

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how does it make sense that primary education and tertiary education (university) can be open for women but not secondary education, the step in the middle?

 

[ghazi52]

1980's Democrat Women front...