France confirms shooting down of Indian Rafale and failure of SPECTRA: What future for French air superiority?

[BonPlan]

AVM Aurangzeb has already answered it, stating that it's a fake... A fired BVR can't land intact after falling from 90000 ft... to my knowledge, around 14 missiles were fired with 10 hits... 2 of the pilots, including previous OC, were not awarded kills because those aircraft were damaged and we are not sure till date about their current status. Maybe after ACM Singh's retirement in October, we will see a Rafale being transported to France for repairs if IAF hasn't written it off.

Rafale max ceiling is less than 9000 ft.
more 65000.

 

[AeronautIR]

Rafale max ceiling is less than 9000 ft.
more 65000.

Heavy sigh... I was talking about the BVR that it lofts to around 90k, not the ceiling of aircraft. Even from 65000, it can't fall down intact if I accept the theory that there was no detonation of warhead.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

Rafale max ceiling is less than 9000 ft.
more 65000.

You're claiming to be former employ of Dassault and don't know how BVR trajectories work, almost we knows how BVR trajectories works, you trash cleaner false flag Indian lol

 

[Yasser76]

You're claiming to be former employ of Dassault and don't know how BVR trajectories work, almost we knows how BVR trajectories works, you trash cleaner false flag Indian lol

He has been exposed a few times, but to be honest now, I think he is just good entertainment value, comes to a thread, says something stupid to troll, gets laughed at. Poor Rakesh cannot even troll properly...

 

[maxpane]

AVM Aurangzeb has already answered it, stating that it's a fake... A fired BVR can't land intact after falling from 90000 ft... to my knowledge, around 14 missiles were fired with 10 hits... 2 of the pilots, including previous OC, were not awarded kills because those aircraft were damaged and we are not sure till date about their current status. Maybe after ACM Singh's retirement in October, we will see a Rafale being transported to France for repairs if IAF hasn't written it off.

Mubarak ho sir . i did not know that your brother was in that mission.

 

[flyingorca]

So explain the PL15 find nearly intact ?

Which was found 100km away from the border. Enough time for IAF jet to escape. What about other PL15 debris that were found in multiple pieces, what did they hit that India is hiding

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

AVM Aurangzeb has already answered it, stating that it's a fake... A fired BVR can't land intact after falling from 90000 ft... to my knowledge, around 14 missiles were fired with 10 hits... 2 of the pilots, including previous OC, were not awarded kills because those aircraft were damaged and we are not sure till date about their current status. Maybe after ACM Singh's retirement in October, we will see a Rafale being transported to France for repairs if IAF hasn't written it off.

Brother, let me see if I've understood this correctly. I have a few questions:

• Did the PAF fire 14 missiles in total? Were they all launched from J-10Cs?
• Of those, did 10 missiles successfully hit their targets? Were those all aircraft, or does that figure also include other types of targets?
• Does each of those 10 hits represent a separate target, or were multiple missiles used against some targets?
• What happened to the remaining 2–4 missiles? Did they miss their targets, fail to guide, or were they used in some other way?
• You mentioned that two pilots were not awarded due to uncertainty. If those claims are eventually confirmed, would that increase the total from 10 to 12?

 

[PakistanLVR]

He has been exposed a few times, but to be honest now, I think he is just good entertainment value, comes to a thread, says something stupid to troll, gets laughed at. Poor Rakesh cannot even troll properly...

They are intellectual grifters. They will argue on virtues of Hinduism and when destroyed in arguments, they will switch up to I'm an atheist, secular, Christian etc etc. See it happened here with that clown Rollno something.

 

[Starlord]

do we have to reply the Bon guy in every thread and debate whether he is french or Indian?

 

[Raider 21]

You're claiming to be former employ of Dassault and don't know how BVR trajectories work, almost we knows how BVR trajectories works, you trash cleaner false flag Indian lol

Normally people working at Dassault tend to be open minded and very competent. Maybe this one is an exceptional

 

[AeronautIR]

Mubarak ho sir . i did not know that your brother was in that mission.

Alhamdulilah... he was in Saya e Saalar too... InShaAllah you will see him soon with the trophy in CCS graduation, the first course of J10C

 

[maxpane]

Alhamdulilah... he was in Saya e Saalar too... InShaAllah you will see him soon with the trophy in CCS graduation, the first course of J10C

wooooow wooooow Amazing .May Allah Pak keep him safe . He is a crown jewel of your family mashaAllah

 

[Starlord]

Alhamdulilah... he was in Saya e Saalar too... InShaAllah you will see him soon with the trophy in CCS graduation, the first course of J10C

What's Saya -e- Saalar?

 

[AeronautIR]

Brother, let me see if I've understood this correctly. I have a few questions:

• Did the PAF fire 14 missiles in total? Were they all launched from J-10Cs?
• Of those, did 10 missiles successfully hit their targets? Were those all aircraft, or does that figure also include other types of targets?
• Does each of those 10 hits represent a separate target, or were multiple missiles used against some targets?
• What happened to the remaining 2–4 missiles? Did they miss their targets, fail to guide, or were they used in some other way?
• You mentioned that two pilots were not awarded due to uncertainty. If those claims are eventually confirmed, would that increase the total from 10 to 12?

1. Yes, all PL-15 were launched from J10C. Add the HQ-9 kill and we can say 15 missiles in total as per my guess.
2. 10 hits are confirm, including 8 kills and 2 damaged. Rest 3-4 may or may not have connected as the IAF fighters turned cold. We are not claiming them due to uncertainty and in my personal guess, 2 PL-15s were trashed.
3. All targets are fighters except 1 Heron.
4. All are separate targets.
5. No failure of PL-15 but the Amritsar package flew very professionally. There is no confirmed kill in that package and their defensive maneuvers were very good. So I think they turned cold in time to outrun the fired BVR.
6. Actual number is definitely more than 8 and even AVM Tariq Ghazi mentioned it in Marka e Haq briefing that there are multiple aircraft that were damaged and IAF has not been able to recover them yet.
7. Lastly, Abhijit Iyer Mitra said that the 2019 episode was repeated, implying the fratricide of Mi-17 over Srinagar. If that is true, 10-11 hits by PAF and 1-2 by friendly fire.
8. If IAF finally tells the whole story, I think at least one more Rafale and a MiG-29 will be added to the tally.

 

[AeronautIR]

What's Saya -e- Saalar?

Escort mission of FM Asim Munir's aircraft to Iran for negotiations.