NGAD IS THE BEST
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You have a same problem dude your ground based AESAs can't look further into Tibet because Himalayas and they have awacs to cover this shortcomings
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DDG-80
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L&T Signs (Major*) Contract for High Power Radars
Mumbai, March 1st, 2024: The Ministry of Defence, Government of India, has awarded a major contract to Larsen & Toubro (L&T), for the supply of High Power Radars (HPR) to the Indian Air Force (IAF).
●It increases the survivability of radar wave in moist
● It increase the strength of bounce back radar wave from target
●Decreases the false alarm
●Able to differentiate the target from clutters
●Also immune to EW attacks
IAF new high power radars will also work as early warning detection, as well as act as BMD radar, additional to tracking stealth fighter aircrafts using 4 AESA radars panels. The most important capability of HPR and MPR is it can detect small targets such as cruise missiles at very long range which makes it particularly useful on the eastern & western border. If stationed at strategic locations and fully integrated with IACCS, these radars will make it harder for hostile cruise missiles to get through the defensive net.
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DDG-80
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Dont think even AWACS will help that much, given there are some times multiple ranges involved, shape/direction of the features. And they may have to position it closer to the border for it to be able to "look down" into the valleys. Plus providing 24x7 cover will also be a challenge.
Hendarto
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China has full radar coverage all along the India-China LAC. They have been building radar stations all along the mountain peak across LAC. They keep adding new stations every year. Increasingly they are unmanned due to the remoteness of the station But connected to the monitoring station that is located at a separate location from the radar. Any fighter taking off from an airfield close to the border or even far away will be detected and tracked
So your depiction of radar coverage in Lhasa does not represent Chinese military radar coverage along the border. BTW it is civilian radar for guiding airlines and not military one. Yes AWAC can cover the gap between the radar station and they normally have 8 8-hour stretch of operation. so 24X7 is normal for awac
In a report last September, Kartik Bommakanti, a senior fellow with the Observer Research Foundation think tank in New Delhi, described the PLA's electronic warfare regiment as multifaceted, capable of electromagnetic attacks and jamming, long-distance electronic surveillance, as well as cyber operations and communications near the border.
The regiment had a similar setup to Russia's reconnaissance and fire system, suggesting that the Chinese military units would likely provide support to artillery and air defense brigades within the PLA Ground Force.
Other capabilities will include long-range surface-to-air missile systems, fighter jets, helicopters, and ballistic missiles, Chaudhari said in his briefing, which emphasized New Delhi's desire to reduce its traditional reliance on foreign hardware in favor of enhancing its domestic defense industry.
Addressing concerns regarding the Chinese military buildup across the 2,300-mile Line of Actual Control, Chaudhari said India was constantly monitoring developments with intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance.
A new radome site for signals intelligence gathering is seen at Pangong Tso on the India-China border in this satellite imagery dated August 29, 2022, and captured by open-source analyst Damien Symon. A new Chinese... MoreX/DETRESFA_
The Center for International and Strategic Studies, a think tank in Washington, D.C., reported on the construction of another listening post in an analysis published in November 2022.
The new radome, first captured by satellites in late 2021, sits atop a mountain peak north of Lake Mansarovar and houses high-frequency towers and at least one support building, with the groundwork for other structures already underway.
The CSIS report speculated that the radome could serve signals intelligence collection and satellite communications, supplementing another existing facility by Pangong Tso Lake on the disputed border, near the valley where Chinese and Indian soldiers fought in 2020.
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Hendarto
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Here is another one. most of them are now remotely operated.
www.eurasiantimes.com
Ashish Dangwal
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January 8, 2023
China’s Ganbala radar station in Tibet, which was long touted as the world’s highest manually operated radar station, is now controlled remotely rather than by stationing personnel on-site, reported PLA Daily, the official publication of the People’s Liberation Army.
The new report revealed that the staff of the Ganbala radar station relocated from the top of a snowy mountain at an elevation of more than 5,100 meters to the main control end at the height of more than 3,000 meters.
Looking at the airborne radar antenna, Chen Qiang, a staff officer with an undisclosed air force radar brigade, told the outlet that the days of radar warriors stationed at high altitudes all year are gone.
The deployment requirements stated by the 20th CPC National Congress, including “increasing the proportion of combat forces of new quality in new areas and expediting the development of unmanned intelligent combat forces,” have been fully accomplished by the Air Force of the Western Theater, the report said.
The Ganbala radar station realizes remote control duty in different places.
Furthermore, the report noted that new radars have already been installed at several high-altitude radar sites, and they were switched to a new duty mode.
The Ganbala radar station is one of several radar stations that cover southern Tibet and is situated on a mountain peak in China’s Tibet Autonomous Region. The station, frequently featured in Chinese media, is notable for its altitude and strategic location.
It was built in 1967 and is crucial in observing the airspace over Tibet’s southern region. It has also been labeled as the highest military installation in the world, standing at 5374 meters above sea level.
There are three main types of radar installations in the PLAAF. Air traffic control (ATC) and senior officers in the control tower employ the first type, found at airfields, to direct pilots toward their desired targets.
The second type consists of radars strategically placed along China’s borders for long- and medium-range detection. This radar system, such as Ganbala, is typically found on mountaintops.
The third category comprises over-the-horizon radars (OTHR) utilized for early warning near China’s coastline. The PLAAF employs three primary radars: long-range, medium-range, and short-range.
The development will reportedly lessen several logistical and maintenance-related problems and boost Chinese forces’ effectiveness in high-altitude zones. According to Chen Qiang, most radar installations are situated on impassable slopes blanketed with snow.
Along with the mountains’ enduring heavy snowfall and closure, the intense cold, oxygen deprivation, and high winds threaten the officers’ health. Furthermore, Qiang noted that these conditions make it difficult to maintain equipment and provide logistical support.
China's Ganbala Radar Station, One Of World's Highest, Now Controlled Remotely From An Altitude Of 3000M
China's Ganbala radar station in Tibet, which was long touted as the world's highest manually operated radar station, is now controlled remotely rather than by stationing personnel on-site, reported PLA Daily, the official publication of the People’s Liberation Army.
www.eurasiantimes.com
China’s Ganbala Radar Station, One Of World’s Highest, Now Controlled Remotely From An Altitude Of 3000M
ByAshish Dangwal
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January 8, 2023
China’s Ganbala radar station in Tibet, which was long touted as the world’s highest manually operated radar station, is now controlled remotely rather than by stationing personnel on-site, reported PLA Daily, the official publication of the People’s Liberation Army.
The new report revealed that the staff of the Ganbala radar station relocated from the top of a snowy mountain at an elevation of more than 5,100 meters to the main control end at the height of more than 3,000 meters.
Looking at the airborne radar antenna, Chen Qiang, a staff officer with an undisclosed air force radar brigade, told the outlet that the days of radar warriors stationed at high altitudes all year are gone.
The deployment requirements stated by the 20th CPC National Congress, including “increasing the proportion of combat forces of new quality in new areas and expediting the development of unmanned intelligent combat forces,” have been fully accomplished by the Air Force of the Western Theater, the report said.
Furthermore, the report noted that new radars have already been installed at several high-altitude radar sites, and they were switched to a new duty mode.
The Ganbala radar station is one of several radar stations that cover southern Tibet and is situated on a mountain peak in China’s Tibet Autonomous Region. The station, frequently featured in Chinese media, is notable for its altitude and strategic location.
It was built in 1967 and is crucial in observing the airspace over Tibet’s southern region. It has also been labeled as the highest military installation in the world, standing at 5374 meters above sea level.
There are three main types of radar installations in the PLAAF. Air traffic control (ATC) and senior officers in the control tower employ the first type, found at airfields, to direct pilots toward their desired targets.
The second type consists of radars strategically placed along China’s borders for long- and medium-range detection. This radar system, such as Ganbala, is typically found on mountaintops.
The third category comprises over-the-horizon radars (OTHR) utilized for early warning near China’s coastline. The PLAAF employs three primary radars: long-range, medium-range, and short-range.
Why Is China Moving Toward Remotely-Operated Radar Stations?
In the past few years, China has actively pushed to install new remote-control radars in various locations and is continually developing innovative ways to perform combat readiness duties. These initiatives appear to be targeted at improving overall combat effectiveness.The development will reportedly lessen several logistical and maintenance-related problems and boost Chinese forces’ effectiveness in high-altitude zones. According to Chen Qiang, most radar installations are situated on impassable slopes blanketed with snow.
Along with the mountains’ enduring heavy snowfall and closure, the intense cold, oxygen deprivation, and high winds threaten the officers’ health. Furthermore, Qiang noted that these conditions make it difficult to maintain equipment and provide logistical support.
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DDG-80
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The case is, at such altitudes, you need a minimum speed to maintain enough lift to not stall. Maneuvers and other things require even higher relative speed to the wing.
So, the higher the altitude, thinner the air, greater the stall speed. Now, the problem does not end here.
Due to the high variability of temperature throughout the day (freezing cold at night and ~20 deg. in day), combined with humidity conditions, the density of air keeps on changing dynamically, which cause erratic lift patterns, especially for aircraft with a low aerofoil (fighter jets). For eight months in a year (September to April), PLAAF air operations will be severely affected due to extremely low temperatures, icy strong surface winds, and extensive ice accumulation over the runway.
Due to high actual air speed at an altitude corresponding to the same indicated airspeed, landing and take-off runs are excessively long.
To water down what I wrote above, a fighter jet will be able to take off with a long runway run in morning and evening timeframes, at noon, it might overshoot the runway with the same payload.
Ah, did I mention higher take-off and landing speeds (required for high-altitude runaways) cause more wear-and-tear of landing gear and frequent tire bursts ?
So, the higher the altitude, thinner the air, greater the stall speed. Now, the problem does not end here.
Due to the high variability of temperature throughout the day (freezing cold at night and ~20 deg. in day), combined with humidity conditions, the density of air keeps on changing dynamically, which cause erratic lift patterns, especially for aircraft with a low aerofoil (fighter jets). For eight months in a year (September to April), PLAAF air operations will be severely affected due to extremely low temperatures, icy strong surface winds, and extensive ice accumulation over the runway.
Due to high actual air speed at an altitude corresponding to the same indicated airspeed, landing and take-off runs are excessively long.
To water down what I wrote above, a fighter jet will be able to take off with a long runway run in morning and evening timeframes, at noon, it might overshoot the runway with the same payload.
Ah, did I mention higher take-off and landing speeds (required for high-altitude runaways) cause more wear-and-tear of landing gear and frequent tire bursts ?
Hendarto
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The idea that high altitudes hamper PLA airforce Is a myth It can be compensated by having higher take-off speed using a longer runway Most of the runways in Tibet are 4000 to 5000 meters long I don't see why it creates wear and tear. Anyway, Chinese aircraft maintenance is superb Plus all of them are domestically designed and they have plenty of spare parts and available from part depots located strategically all over the country
NGAD IS THE BEST
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Lol how can come up with extreme mountains terrain of Himalayas, do you know what's is ground cuttler kid●Actually high power availability increases the radar rangeL&T Signs (Major*) Contract for High Power Radars
Mumbai, March 1st, 2024: The Ministry of Defence, Government of India, has awarded a major contract to Larsen & Toubro (L&T), for the supply of High Power Radars (HPR) to the Indian Air Force (IAF).www.larsentoubro.com
●It increases the survivability of radar wave in moist
● It increase the strength of bounce back radar wave from target
●Decreases the false alarm
●Able to differentiate the target from clutters
●Also immune to EW attacks
IAF new high power radars will also work as early warning detection, as well as act as BMD radar, additional to tracking stealth fighter aircrafts using 4 AESA radars panels. The most important capability of HPR and MPR is it can detect small targets such as cruise missiles at very long range which makes it particularly useful on the eastern & western border. If stationed at strategic locations and fully integrated with IACCS, these radars will make it harder for hostile cruise missiles to get through the defensive net.
NGAD IS THE BEST
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You have no 24/7 capability kid
Joe Shearer
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Amazing how Canadians settled in the US have such insight into PLA Air Force facilities, processes and resources. Almost as if in possession of an extra pair of eyes and an extra brain.
Joe Shearer
Professional
How did you learn that?
Have you been reading PLA AF intelligence reports?
Granted Shiv's original video was absurd, there is no need for team-tagging in absurdity as the Chinese, pseudo-Chinese, quasi-Chinese and wish-to-be-Chinese members have been doing.
kaku
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HPR are designed for giving 24/7 capabilities.
kaku
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Obviously, that's why you need Low level radars to cover mountain pases.
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kaku
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Are you sure?
But indeed these radars are for BMD, rather than detecting aircrafts.
But obviously, during peacetime, it be checking in & out movements in Tibet.
NGAD IS THE BEST
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What's HPR? do you mean high power radars? And China doesn't have HPR lollipop
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