TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[Pakistan First]

S400 can do all that SIPER and the next SIPER variant can.

Russian air-defense, avionics are total crap. Russian fighter jets also considered to be subpar only because of lack of russian advancements in electronics. The fighter jets otherwise could be capable but their avionics, radars/ew and weapon systems sucks. See what Ukraine is doing almost daily with Russia. Firing till Moscow and russian air force and air defense can't do a thing about it.

 

[MMM-E]

The tie between France and Turkey are not strong enough to imagine that. You will find a solution with EJ200 or a US engine....

EJ-200 or American F-414 / F-404 Engines dont work on KIZILELMA

French M-88 is almost 2 times heavier than AI-322F
It would require BAYKAR engineers to reinforce the fuselage structure and shift internal avionics forward to maintain the KIZILELMA's center of gravity

This leads to system limitations in KIZILELMA or it becomes necessary to design a larger, new platform.

 

[MMM-E]

Russian air-defense, avionics are total crap. Russian fighter jets also considered to be subpar only because of lack of russian advancements in electronics.

See what Ukraine is doing almost daily with Russia. Firing till Moscow and russian air force and air defense can't do a thing about it.

Comparing Aselsan HAKİM C4ISR to a Russian air defense umbrella is fundamentally a comparison between an AI-driven software brain and a rigid hardware architecture

Turkiye : Fully automated AI/machine learning algorithms
Russia : Mostly manual or semi-automated

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S-400 battery is highly dependent on its own Radars. If electronic warfare or a low altitude Cruise Missile - kamikaze Drone blinds that specific Radar, the entire battery becomes vulnerable

Aselsan HAKIM C4ISR solves this via a modern digital mesh. It aggregates data from completely different types of Radars (ALP-300G , KALKAN-II, naval Frigates/Destroyer , E-7T AEWC and F-16s ) to create a single, unified recognized air picture to fire HISAR and SIPER missiles to intercept threats

 

[MMM-E]

Russia is a nuclear super power also Russia is leader in hypersonic weapons

but , Russia is not a country capable of waging modern warfare to match with NATO

for example , due to microchip and semiconductor limitations, Russian systems rely on older generation processor architectures compared to NATO Systems ( link-16/22 , JREAP-C , T-LINK ) including SIPER and HAKIM C4ISR. This limits the amount of data they can process per second and the speed of artificial intelligence algorithms.

And Russian systems also lack real-time data fusion

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The fighter jets otherwise could be capable

Russian Su-57 does not have an all-aspect stealth design compared to its Western rivals and its RCS is significantly larger than the F-35 and KAAN

 

[MMM-E]

We will see if your Kaan will be ready before. It's another task to built on a serial basis than to hand made prototyps.

Do you think Turkiye is Greece ?

Turkish Aerospace Industries operates a world-class aerospace production facility spanning 5 million square meters in Ankara

The facility houses advanced high-technology machinery capable of managing the entire product lifecycle from raw material parts manufacturing to complete aircraft assembly, flight tests, and delivery

official source: https://www.tusas.com/en/media-center/news/turkish-aerospace-has-renewed-its-web-site

TAI's production plan until 2034
-- 500 KAAN , HURJET , HURKUS
-- 350 GOKBEY , ATAK , ATAK-2
-- 600 ANKA-3 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR



Even France in Europe doesn't produce this many products.

Everyone should know their place. Turkiye is no longer a country you can make fun of.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Do you think Turkiye is Greece ?

Turkish Aerospace Industries operates a world-class aerospace production facility spanning 5 million square meters in Ankara

The facility houses advanced high-technology machinery capable of managing the entire product lifecycle from raw material parts manufacturing to complete aircraft assembly, flight tests, and delivery

official source: https://www.tusas.com/en/media-center/news/turkish-aerospace-has-renewed-its-web-site

TAI's production plan until 2034
-- 500 KAAN , HURJET , HURKUS
-- 350 GOKBEY , ATAK , ATAK-2
-- 600 ANKA-3 , ANKA-S , AKSUNGUR

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Even France in Europe doesn't produce this many products.

Everyone should know their place. Turkiye is no longer a country you can make fun of.

None of these are happening in that quantity
Kaan with good luck have 60-80 airframes
Hürjet with all its different variants around 100 under good circumstances
Atak t129 (new deliveries) 20-30
Atak t929 maybe 10-20
Gökbey 100+
Anka 3 <80
Anka 1 (new deliveries) maybe 60 or so
Aksungur less then 50
No point in producing if you have no customer unless the government wants to replace its total inventory

 

[Pokemonte13]

Oh sorry,
I forgot that turkish products are all superiors to the rest of the world production.

Not superior but for example the s400 lacks an IFF system and uses PESA radar and the worst thing is that some of its more standard missiles use a semi active seeker. They do that because it reduces cost but at the cost of effectiveness. Not to mention that they still build on tech from the 1990. (that doesn't mean that its useless)

 

[MMM-E]

No point in producing if you have no customer unless the government wants to replace its total inventory

For export market too

 

[Pakistan First]

TAI's production plan until 2034
-- 500 KAAN , HURJET , HURKUS

Impossible even with export customers.

 

[MMM-E]

Impossible even with export customers.

It's possible in terms of production capacity, but the necessary orders need to be received ( 500 KAAN , HURJET , HURKUS )


It has a monthly production capacity of 2 units
3 platforms x 2 units monthly : 6 units total

6 units x 12 months : 72 units annually

72 x 8 years : 576 units

 

[Flotilla]

Hey @BonPlan ;

If you can rid yourself of that French arrogance bordering on utter stupidity, I have a mutually beneficial offer. Let's integrate the Safran M-88 T-Rex engine into the Kızılelma. And let's modify the Kızılelma so it can be launched by catapult.

The Safran M-88 T-Rex is currently the only engine in mass production that can bring the Kızılelma to its true potential. No other in mass-produced engine generates this much thrust in this compact size.

So sorry,

They can´t work with neither germany people (FCAS kaputt) nor spanish people (Eurocopter Tigre MK III) c´est terminé.

Don´t waste your time with them.

 

[xbat]

Impossible even with export customers.

very modest prediction