Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Ali_Baba said:
Interesting question on Article V, wish we had some lawyers around here!
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Dragging Europe into full war with full emergency mobilization against Iran with 0 plan or objective because of FPVs destroying US bombers and killing no British personel at RAF Fairford?

This makes no sense, Europeans have no appetite for war

At most RAF will launch some CMs on Iran and it would stop there
 
If trump, maga, and the US get 100% of the blame for this, trump loses both ways. Trump loses with TACO and surrender to Iran. trump loses when Iran burns down the Middle East.

Bannon, maga and trump want a global economic collapse, and end of the fiat dollar empire to replace it with their baby - crypto. trump and maga would make the global financial system in the image of maga and not care about the consequences of burning down the globe.

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If trump gets the blame for 200 dollar oil and a global financial collapse and end of dollar empire, most sane would oppose the trump and Bannon agenda of crypto.

There are many crypto Jews, Jews are heavily into crypto, Epstein was invested in coinbase and bitcoin ventures, this is their child.

So a global economic meltdown with the replacement of trump and maga with a defeated crypto agenda is victory. trump plans of an economic collapse would have failed. Only getting the economic collapse, not the new disorder of a worse American Empire. TACO is also victory.

Blaming Israel gives cover to Trump to defeat Iran. Blaming the American Empire gets global opinion against those that would benefit from a global financial collapse. This is more than Israel and the Greater Israel Project. Bannon, the former campaign leader of trump, wants the fiat dollar to collapse, if the US imposes a worse system. If Bannon, trump and the other American zionists are not blamed, it is the victory of the maga zionists.
 
RzA said:
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Who cares

It will change nothing in current war scenario, it will be same shit or even worst without bibi clown.

That country went crazy Oct 7, and it's not sane yet.

And high ranking officials have been a bunch of corrupt scum last decades, willing to sacrifice own people blood in order to keep doing wars and getting American money.

Poor Israel, it never was a easy place, but now it's a open air mental asylum.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Interesting question on Article V, wish we had some lawyers around here!
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Interesting from an academic POV, but does it matter?

The US has already acted unilaterally in violation of international law and the UK was an equal partner in crime the last time the US carried out an illegal, unprovoked invasion of Iraq to overthrow THAT regime.

The British Prime Minister who joined that illegal war is now being rewarded with cushy ‘board of Gaza positions’ (or something else if that doesn’t work out)

One giant circle jerk of a predatory, capitalist elite.
 
Bengal71 said:
The only person in Trump administration that's at least reasonable and respectable seems to be JD Vance. Rest are all clowns.
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I don't like Rubio but I respect him as a seasoned politician. He is saying what he has to say as the Sec State. However, Trump, Witkofff, Kushner are clowns.
As for Vance: He would be Israel's biggest nightmare as the President because he could even pull a 2/3rd majority in both houses of Congress against Israel. And I don't think the Israelis will sit idle against Vance if Trump has Lindsey Graham death today.
 
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Actually they are not punishing themselves.

Like in tariffs or Nordstream blast, upper American elite is punishing everybody else in the West.

But people who make war decisions won't suffer.

And the rest accept it and obey, because they are deceived idiots and even if they refuse, they can't do jack in wonderful western democracies.

European people can't ask Nordstream pipes, American people can't refuse tariffs. Same with Iran war economic consequences.
 
Watandar said:
No. It's just propagandists getting carried away in the daily PR battle.
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Probably IRGC have Qaem100 or some ballistic missiles capable of doing so.
But that would be counterproductive, as could drag all NATO after invoking art. 5.
I agree with you at this point.
 
Flotilla said:
Probably IRGC have Qaem100 or some ballistic missiles capable of doing so.
But that would be counterproductive, as could drag all NATO after invoking art. 5.
I agree with you at this point.
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You cannot invoke article 5 if you are attacking another country. By allowing US bombers to use its military bases to attack Iran, UK is actively supporting the war.

This is also why Turkey couldn’t invoke article 5 when they shot down a Russian fighter jet inside Syria during the Syrian war.
 
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