Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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ToqeLowkey
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I get your sentiments, but "better than all so-called Muslim countries" is doing a lot of work that doesn't hold up once you look closely. Iran's government is responsible for a lot of the quagmire in the Middle East, it has also executed protesters, jailed journalists, and has crushed multiple uprisings throughout the years with live ammunition and mass arrests -- that's not really the profile of a state defined by "dignity, integrity, and morality." Its own economy runs on smuggling, black markets, and elite corruption tied to the corrupt and tribal structure it was built on, so the idea that it's uniquely free of selling out for personal gain doesn't match how its ruling class actually operates.
On the war point, framing it purely as "they refused to surrender" skips a lot. Iran isn't in open war with the US or Israel because of noble defiance alone, it's the product of decades of its own regional proxy strategy, nuclear ambiguity, and confrontations it chose to escalate, not just resistance forced on it from outside. Plenty of countries navigate US and Israeli pressure without either surrendering their sovereignty or plunging into military conflict, so that binary is a false one.
The Palestine argument also oversimplifies things. Iran's support for Palestinian factions, mainly Hamas, is real, but it's also strategic -- it extends Iranian influence and pressure on Israel via proxies, not pure solidarity. Meanwhile countries like Jordan and Egypt have taken in enormous numbers of Palestinian refugees for decades, and Qatar and Turkey have funded reconstruction and hosted political leadership, so "the only Muslim country that did practically something" ignores a lot of tangible, if different, forms of support elsewhere.
None of this means Iran is uniquely evil or that Western pressure on it is always fair, that's a separate argument. But "morally superior to every other Muslim country" is a claim that needs the government's actual record measured, not just its rhetoric against the US and Israel.
wangdefa
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China and the United States have long been competing on a battlefield without smoke. This is a battlefield that shakes the world order.Both things can be true.
China and USA are two main world powers, militarily and economically.
And they must have arrangements far from cameras.
People who think in terms of emotions or ideology won't never understand.
People who think in material, economic terms will understand and that kind of people are who take big decisions inside a state.
2015 article by American Jewish banker
A Partnership with China to Avoid World War
International cooperation is in decline both in the political and financial spheres. The UN has failed to address any of the major conflicts since the end of the cold war; the 2009 Copenhagen Climate Change Conference left a sour aftertaste; the World Trade Organization hasn’t concluded a major...www.georgesoros.com
They confront each other across various fields, not to destroy buildings or cities, but to dismantle the entire system and its influence.
This is a war without smoke that is powerful enough to change the world.
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OldTwilight
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FUB
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These stories are all fabricated. Why the Russians never talk about their ammunition stocks ? It is ridiculous for anyone to believe such nonsense. The same goes for the SPR.
Before the the 12 day war , there was a Israeli retired general that kept talking about how the Israeli military was about to collapse.
They are foolish to stop their counter offensive. They should continue to strike and strike hard .
I have said it several times . The Saudis are in on it . They want to collapse the world economy. It was suicidal for them to provoke the Houthi rebels.
Covid 2.0 . This time it will be fuel shortages.
The EU a is a joke . They sanctioned 14 Chinese companies. Does that make sense ?
Before the the 12 day war , there was a Israeli retired general that kept talking about how the Israeli military was about to collapse.
They are foolish to stop their counter offensive. They should continue to strike and strike hard .
I have said it several times . The Saudis are in on it . They want to collapse the world economy. It was suicidal for them to provoke the Houthi rebels.
Covid 2.0 . This time it will be fuel shortages.
The EU a is a joke . They sanctioned 14 Chinese companies. Does that make sense ?
Don't forget the East. Ukraine is now onboard and will probably carry more strikes within Iran on US' behalf.
Falcon29
Elite Member
Chinese have demonstrated to be more level headed and intelligent than Putin. Does China see this as bait or believe it to be a reality ? What if USA deep state makes it more spicy by pretending like Trump doesn't leave power (Jan 6 planned ahead of time) but this time he actually doesn't leave and some events are facilitated to make it appear as if US is on precipice of civil war, would China go for Taiwan? Like Russia did in Ukraine (which is long term quagmire commitment for Russia that it feels trapped in and can't get out of )?
