Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

In the 21st century the god people worship is money/power. For the Muslims Emirates/Saudia is that god, these nations possess enormous wealth, inspire religious cultish type movements, can buy mullahs, tv channels who brainwash millions, fund billions annually to give a saint image of themselves. Meanwhile its no secret they're the biggest allies of the Usa/Israel alliance but Muslims will look the other way and then pretend to care about Palestinians or symphathise with the grievances.

Perhaps off topic but... Isn't a nation-state responsible and responsive to its own people first? Haven't some Arab countries lifted tens of millions directly and hundreds of millions indirectly by being part of the Pax Americana? Had not the Arab countries waged wars against Israel but beaten because they were also fighting a Superpower? So they may be forced to resign to their current fate of a very lucrative life where there has been peace for generations, immense wealth, rapidly increasing education, improving health. One can't blame them for making their choices when we consider their past choices and current options. Why sacrifice for a few million Palestinians all that for the hundreds of millions?
Iran, on the other hand, taken a different route since 1979 and has seen lost generational wealth and peace. Iran had/has the potentials to be the No. 1 Superpower of the Middle East due to its immense human and natural resources. But, as of now, they have squandered that and are still in a grave danger of losing much for generations to come unless they become strategic winners in this war.
I know, I have spoke some harsh truth but of course it is up to the Iranians to decide their path forward. Pakistanis only wish them the best not only because of historic ties but also it is in Pakistan's own interests to have unified, peaceful stable and prosperous Iran which have a long shared border.

 

[abgoosht]

Bro what Iran did in Syria is well documented.

Defeating US/Israel backed ISIS? Good.

 

[Master Chief]

Perhaps off topic but... Isn't a nation-state responsible and responsive to its own people first? Haven't some Arab countries lifted tens of millions directly and hundreds of millions indirectly by being part of the Pax Americana? Had not the Arab countries waged wars against Israel but beaten because they were also fighting a Superpower? So they may be forced to resign to their current fate of a very lucrative life where there has been peace for generations, immense wealth, rapidly increasing education, improving health. One can't blame them for making their choices when we consider their past choices and current options. Why sacrifice for a few million Palestinians all that for the hundreds of millions?
Iran, on the other hand, taken a different route since 1979 and has seen lost generational wealth and peace. Iran had/has the potentials to be the No. 1 Superpower of the Middle East due to its immense human and natural resources. But, as of now, they have squandered that and are still in a grave danger of losing much for generations to come unless they become strategic winners in this war.
I know, I have spoke some harsh truth but of course it is up to the Iranians to decide their path forward. Pakistanis only wish them the best not only because of historic ties but also it is in Pakistan's own interests to have unified, peaceful stable and prosperous Iran which have a long shared border.

As always, the voice of reason reverberates along the centre-most path.

 

[abgoosht]

What you think P&Q should do?

Oh I don't know, maybe grow a backbone and protect their interests with their military?

 

[abgoosht]

Thank god Immortals, that you only trust 'UKTMO' and CENTCOM and Trump tweets. That makes me sleep easy. Everything Iran says is a lie, but trust Centcom.

While during the war and the ceasefire phase, everything Iran said was true and everything Merica said was fake. Except some threats from Iranian officials, 1v1 casualties etc.

While Immortal, bless him, is more realistic than others sometimes to the point of being a bit negative, Iran was caught lying a few times in the conflict. Namely lying about many of their high ranking casualties and denying they were in negotiations with US when they clearly were.

 

[030292]

This is such obvious BS content filler.

I wouldn't rule it out, because countries in the region have somehow lost the ability to say no to trump no matter how damaging the consequences for their own country, these leaders are willing to burn their own house to please daddy trump.

 

[Khorasan Black Flags]

Perhaps off topic but... Isn't a nation-state responsible and responsive to its own people first? Haven't some Arab countries lifted tens of millions directly and hundreds of millions indirectly by being part of the Pax Americana? Had not the Arab countries waged wars against Israel but beaten because they were also fighting a Superpower? So they may be forced to resign to their current fate of a very lucrative life where there has been peace for generations, immense wealth, rapidly increasing education, improving health. One can't blame them for making their choices when we consider their past choices and current options. Why sacrifice for a few million Palestinians all that for the hundreds of millions?
Iran, on the other hand, taken a different route since 1979 and has seen lost generational wealth and peace. Iran had/has the potentials to be the No. 1 Superpower of the Middle East due to its immense human and natural resources. But, as of now, they have squandered that and are still in a grave danger of losing much for generations to come unless they become strategic winners in this war.
I know, I have spoke some harsh truth but of course it is up to the Iranians to decide their path forward. Pakistanis only wish them the best not only because of historic ties but also it is in Pakistan's own interests to have unified, peaceful stable and prosperous Iran which have a long shared border.

I respect your perspective, and I could provide a detailed, logical, and evidence-based response to each point you’ve raised; however, doing so properly would require much more time and space than I currently have. In short: I am 100% against your logic

 

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Jordanian celebrate Iranian missiles destroying American occupying bases in Jordan to protect Israel and the midget King....

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USA blocks shipment of gas from Qatar to Pakistan

 

[030292]

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USA blocks shipment of gas from Qatar to Pakistan

Showbazz will turn the other cheek to trump

 

[Desert]

Satanyahu is a class A mofo.....

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Exactly.
It's a political move made by the king of morocco with trump and natanyahu to cause troubles to Spain especially with Spain's moves against israel and trump recently.

the thing which makes me confused , how come a king uses his people like that , a cattle !!!

 

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It's a BS alliance like the earliest alliances made by Saudia.
it will probably just fail like others.

 

[Professor Jiang]

Gharibabadi: What kind of deterrence is there in saying that we should withdraw from the NPT and at the same time say that we are not seeking nukes? ☣
This discussion should be opened inside the country: how long can we continue to fulfill our commitments under the NPT?
The religious, jurisprudential, and strategic dimensions of this issue should be examined, and a broader debate should take place. [Fars News]

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He's 100% right. The whole leaving the NPT thing has always been a nonsense option for Iran. Either build the damn thing or don't.

 

[Flotilla]

Exactly.
It's a political move made by the king of morocco with trump and natanyahu to cause troubles to Spain especially with Spain's moves against israel and trump recently.

the thing which makes me confused , how come a king uses his people like that , a cattle !!!

They do.
Morocco is a poor country with medieval kingdom and the only advanced deparment it is Defense.
They just purchased a crazy range of SAM systems from Israel, US and even China.
They have been working closely with Israel and the US has frequently threatened to move its bases to Morocco. They´ve signed Abraham Accords and Israel and US were the first to recognize the South Sahara annexation to Morocco as a gift for their loyalty.
They hate also Algeria and because of our good relations with Algeria, they got mad and make this childish movement.