US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

Yeah, totally no talks happening… it’s just a magical coincidence that the Americans stop bombing at the exact same time the Iranians stop bombing. Pure silence, perfect coordination... all so they can ‘not talk’ to each other.
Isn’t it the Iranian way if no one fires on them they do not fire on them I definitely don’t agree with that thinking but that’s what the Iranians have said and talks are totally different than what Trump is posting everywhere and nobody not even his officials are saying he is right that Iran has agreed to trump demands and now he’s going off hey they said they agreed and the Iranians have been saying from the moment he said it no
If we have to believe Honest Trump or the Iranians I will go with the Iranians on this one
 
I don’t think his own commanders understand his military strategies either from what every report is coming out they can’t replace advanced defensive and offensive weapons fast enough they are extremely worried if there is an enemy lurking around the corner American forces will be unprepared to handle that challenge
And who could that enemy be other than Iran, which they see as a bit case?

You guys really believe the US military revolves around a few thousand interceptors and gas prices?

How many thousands of cruise missiles does the US possess?

How many thousands of ballistic missiles does the US possess?

What about its long-range rockets and artillery?

What about swarm drones?

What about the US military's electronic warfare and cyber warfare capabilities?

You may have noticed that the US military hasn't even attempted to shoot Iranian satellites out of orbit.

How many missiles do you think US warships carry?

Do you really think Russia and China want to pick a fight with the United States? They would likely be more than happy if some US sanctions on them were eased at Iran's expense.

Donald Trump wanted to attack Iran for decades. He has attacked Iran several times now and the way things are going, I don't think he will rest rest until Iran is destroyed.

On the other hand you guys are sounding more and more like people from some failed state rather than from an educated society with the sort of crazy claims you guys are conjure up.
 
And who could that enemy be other than Iran, which they see as a bit case?

You guys really believe the US military revolves around a few thousand interceptors and gas prices?

How many thousands of cruise missiles does the US possess?

How many thousands of ballistic missiles does the US possess?

What about its long-range rockets and artillery?

What about swarm drones?

What about the US military's electronic warfare and cyber warfare capabilities?

You may have noticed that the US military hasn't even attempted to shoot Iranian satellites out of orbit.

How many missiles do you think US warships carry?

Do you really think Russia and China want to pick a fight with the United States? They would likely be more than happy if some US sanctions on them were eased at Iran's expense.

Donald Trump wanted to attack Iran for decades. He has attacked Iran several times now and the way things are going, I don't think he will rest rest until Iran is destroyed.

On the other hand you guys are sounding more and more like people from some failed state rather than from an educated society with the sort of crazy claims you guys are conjure up.
What sanctions does the United States still have left to use? If China completely cuts off rare-earth supplies, Europe’s and America’s defense and high-tech industries could shut down tomorrow.

The United States cannot win China over simply by easing sanctions. It needs to offer benefits compelling enough to appeal to China.
 
What sanctions does the United States still have left to use? If China completely cuts off rare-earth supplies, Europe’s and America’s defense and high-tech industries could shut down tomorrow.

The United States cannot win China over simply by easing sanctions. It needs to offer benefits compelling enough to appeal to China.
I was talking about the sanctions the US still has on China and Russia.

On the other hand, why on earth would China attack its largest trading partner, with whom it does over half a trillion dollars' worth of trade?
 
I was talking about the sanctions the US still has on China and Russia.

On the other hand, why on earth would China attack its largest trading partner, with whom it does over half a trillion dollars' worth of trade?
Russia may need the United States to lift its sanctions.

But China has become largely immune to U.S. sanctions, and there is no going back. Take Nvidia chips, for example: even if the United States allows China to purchase them, China will not do so.

The lifting of sanctions holds no appeal for China.
 
Although Iran is not particularly valuable to China, if the United States wants China to abandon Iran, it will have to offer something compelling enough to sway Beijing.
Lifting sanctions, which would merely restore the existing balance between the two sides, would clearly not satisfy China.
 
And who could that enemy be other than Iran, which they see as a bit case?

You guys really believe the US military revolves around a few thousand interceptors and gas prices?

How many thousands of cruise missiles does the US possess?

How many thousands of ballistic missiles does the US possess?

What about its long-range rockets and artillery?

What about swarm drones?

What about the US military's electronic warfare and cyber warfare capabilities?

You may have noticed that the US military hasn't even attempted to shoot Iranian satellites out of orbit.

How many missiles do you think US warships carry?

Do you really think Russia and China want to pick a fight with the United States? They would likely be more than happy if some US sanctions on them were eased at Iran's expense.

Donald Trump wanted to attack Iran for decades. He has attacked Iran several times now and the way things are going, I don't think he will rest rest until Iran is destroyed.

On the other hand you guys are sounding more and more like people from some failed state rather than from an educated society with the sort of crazy claims you guys are conjure up.
Dude why do you believe Iran is the enemy when before all of this occurred there was friendlier relations between many of these countries than there has been in many years 🤦.

Yes conflicts can erupt at any time for any reason North Korea,China, Zimbabwe, Iceland, Guyana and etc conflicts can happen at any time for any reason and yes if American forces can’t defend against an opponent properly we se what happens when they can’t defend like Russia they went into a war that shouldn’t have been started in the first place thought it would be a quick win than came massive weapons reinforcements from outside and now we have this slow brutal dragging war.

Interceptors may not win a war but without those thousands of interceptors that have been used in this war be it in Israel,GCC or American bases guarantee the death toll would have been in the thousands
 
Although Iran is not particularly valuable to China, if the United States wants China to abandon Iran, it will have to offer something compelling enough to sway Beijing.
Lifting sanctions, which would merely restore the existing balance between the two sides, would clearly not satisfy China.
Yes, Iran isn’t a core strategic asset for China in the way some people imagine. There’s nobody in Beijing whose daily life is affected by a war involving Iran, and China’s economy doesn’t depend on Iran the way it depends on, say, Saudi Arabia or Australia. But it’s wrong to pretend China doesn’t care at all. Iran has been one of China’s most loyal and predictable partners for decades. China might also maintain ties with India, but India plays both sides and cooperates heavily with the West. Iran, on the other hand, consistently aligns with China’s geopolitical messaging.

China doesn’t have many openly anti‑Western allies. Most countries still lean toward the US or Europe, even if they trade with China. Iran is one of the few states that reliably supports China’s diplomatic positions, votes with China in international forums, and participates in Chinese‑led blocs like the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and BRICS+. That kind of political loyalty is rare, and Beijing won’t want to see Iran completely destroyed because it would weaken China’s strategic network.

Iran also gives China a useful counterweight in the Gulf. A stable Iran means China has access to energy routes that aren’t fully controlled by Western-aligned states. It also strengthens the China–Russia–Iran triangle, which Beijing uses to balance against US pressure. If Iran collapsed, the Gulf would tilt heavily toward Western influence, and China would lose a partner that buys Chinese weapons, technology, and infrastructure.

So while China won’t intervene militarily or treat Iran as a vital national interest, it absolutely prefers Iran to survive and remain functional. A destroyed Iran would be a strategic loss for Beijing, and Chinese leadership is fully aware of that.
 
Also if your argument is going to be even without the interceptors the casualties wouldn’t have been that high my argument would be they shouldn’t have launched those overly expensive interceptors against missiles that we’re going to hit “open spaces”
 
Yes, Iran isn’t a core strategic asset for China in the way some people imagine. There’s nobody in Beijing whose daily life is affected by a war involving Iran, and China’s economy doesn’t depend on Iran the way it depends on, say, Saudi Arabia or Australia. But it’s wrong to pretend China doesn’t care at all. Iran has been one of China’s most loyal and predictable partners for decades. China might also maintain ties with India, but India plays both sides and cooperates heavily with the West. Iran, on the other hand, consistently aligns with China’s geopolitical messaging.

China doesn’t have many openly anti‑Western allies. Most countries still lean toward the US or Europe, even if they trade with China. Iran is one of the few states that reliably supports China’s diplomatic positions, votes with China in international forums, and participates in Chinese‑led blocs like the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation and BRICS+. That kind of political loyalty is rare, and Beijing won’t want to see Iran completely destroyed because it would weaken China’s strategic network.

Iran also gives China a useful counterweight in the Gulf. A stable Iran means China has access to energy routes that aren’t fully controlled by Western-aligned states. It also strengthens the China–Russia–Iran triangle, which Beijing uses to balance against US pressure. If Iran collapsed, the Gulf would tilt heavily toward Western influence, and China would lose a partner that buys Chinese weapons, technology, and infrastructure.

So while China won’t intervene militarily or treat Iran as a vital national interest, it absolutely prefers Iran to survive and remain functional. A destroyed Iran would be a strategic loss for Beijing, and Chinese leadership is fully aware of that.
Iran is not as loyal to China as some may think. Before the war, Iran was distancing itself from China and moving closer to India. Nor is Iran a major market for Chinese weapons; Iran even believes that its own defense industry is more advanced than China’s.

Nevertheless, China will not readily abandon Iran. At present, the United States has few bargaining chips it can use to secure China’s support. Moreover, the concessions that might persuade China would be difficult for the U.S. government to make. America has only two choices: concede defeat or continue the standoff.

If Iran falls, the impact on China will not be significant. As with Iraq and Venezuela, it would simply mean a new government selling the oil.

If Iran falls, Turkey will be affected the most. Israel and the United States would then be free to focus their full attention on Turkey.
 
If Iran falls, Turkey will be affected the most. Israel and the United States would then be free to focus their full attention on Turkey.
They already do that with or without Iran.

It's called Kurdish Communist PKK terrorists.

And we're dealing with them fine.
 
Iran is not as loyal to China as some may think. Before the war, Iran was distancing itself from China and moving closer to India. Nor is Iran a major market for Chinese weapons; Iran even believes that its own defense industry is more advanced than China’s.

Nevertheless, China will not readily abandon Iran. At present, the United States has few bargaining chips it can use to secure China’s support. Moreover, the concessions that might persuade China would be difficult for the U.S. government to make. America has only two choices: concede defeat or continue the standoff.

If Iran falls, the impact on China will not be significant. As with Iraq and Venezuela, it would simply mean a new government selling the oil.

If Iran falls, Turkey will be affected the most. Israel and the United States would then be free to focus their full attention on Turkey.
Iran is not as loyal to China as some may think. Before the war, Iran was distancing itself from China and moving closer to India. Nor is Iran a major market for Chinese weapons; Iran even believes that its own defense industry is more advanced than China’s.

Agree with that Iran should have been far more closer to china over the past few decades I disagree about the whole India thing I especially after how close the guy became with Bibi it was strictly India needed their oil that’s all.

I don’t think anyone in Iran actually believed their military industry could compare to china yes we do have a few people who may believe that in this forum but I believe Iranians in Iran are far more grounded Iran isn’t in the same league as china is so come on let’s not pretend the Iranians believe a converted oil tanker is the same as Chinas aircraft carriers ,honestly Iran isn’t in the same league as turkeys defense industries perhaps if they haven’t faced as much sanctions they may have been on turkeys level at least

But those missiles have been hitting far more precisely as of late a lot of real time testing in battles and better intelligence
 

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