Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

ShapurII said:
The problem is that this is another low for our deterrence.

If a country like Ukraine which is hardly even a middle power can target our civilian vessels and kill an Iranian national, even accepts responsibility and boasts about it without even apologizing to us, and doesn't even pay a penny to us, then we have no deterrence and we're really at the mercy of other countries in the world.

This is a bad precedent. A terrible one. Expect more countries to try us in the future.
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Every missile fired at Ukraine reduces the inventory meant for Israel. We are likely to see more Ukrainian agitation because of this.
 
Feroze said:

Saudi crown prince, Turkish president discuss regional security, Red Sea attacks​

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman held a telephone call on Monday with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to discuss relations and the latest developments in the region. (SPA/AFP)

Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman held a telephone call on Monday with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to discuss relations and the latest developments in the region. (SPA/AFP)
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RIYADH: Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman held a telephone call on Monday with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to discuss relations and the latest developments in the region, the Saudi Press Agency reported.

During the call, the two leaders reviewed ties between Saudi Arabia and Turkiye and explored ways to strengthen cooperation across a number of fields, SPA added.

They also discussed regional developments amid heightened tensions in the Middle East and the security situation in the Red Sea.

President Erdogan reaffirmed Turkiye’s condemnation of attacks by the Iran-backed Houthi militia on ships in the Red Sea and expressed his country's full support for Saudi Arabia.

The Turkish leader also welcomed the establishment of the multinational maritime defense coalition led by the Kingdom, expressing hope that it would succeed in protecting international shipping and achieving its objectives.

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Saudi crown prince is just not a natural leader. This is what you get when some kid successor of a family is put in charge. Leadership skills are earned through experiences, resilience, exposure to adversity, high intelligence, etc.... You cannot just put people that aren't leadership worthy into such positions

He doesn't know what his vision is or what he wants to do. He doesn't actually know how he wants to approach Iran.

I don't trust Axios garbage paper at all but there may be some truth to him calling for de-escalation of situation because like I said he's not leadership material.

Even someone like Sisi is more of leadership material even if you don't like his type of leadership he has his vision and came from the bottom and worked his up in the military.

This means there are disagreements on how to approach the conflict and people like MBS that were previously more confrontational about Iranian regime are not actually ideologically motivated and can change their positions in a minute which makes them unreliable as leaders to their nations and to their allies

And a war like this should've never been started if there isn't commitment to fight it out. If Israel wants to take it on and bear costs of war it can fight it itself who is stopping them?
 
Magi said:
Every missile fired at Ukraine reduces the inventory meant for Israel. We are likely to see more Ukrainian agitation because of this.
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Yes, but we don't need to fire at "the Ukraine" directly.

We just need to find one Ukrainian civilian vessel somewhere within our reach and hit it. That's all that we need to do.

Or at least we need to force the Ukraine to pay compensation for killing an Iranian national!

These fuckers refused our payment because they thought it was too low and filed a lawsuit against us over the Ukrainian passenger plane. Don't you remember? We were going to pay each one of the victims a large sum of money and they still said no!
 
Falcon29 said:
Saudi crown prince is just not a natural leader. This is what you get when some kid successor of a family is put in charge. Leadership skills are earned through experiences, resilience, exposure to adversity, high intelligence, etc.... You cannot just put people that aren't leadership worthy into such positions

He doesn't know what his vision is or what he wants to do. He doesn't actually know how he wants to approach Iran.

I don't trust Axios garbage paper at all but there may be some truth to him calling for de-escalation of situation because like I said he's not leadership material.

Even someone like Sisi is more of leadership material even if you don't like his type of leadership he has his vision and came from the bottom and worked his up in the military.

This means there are disagreements on how to approach the conflict and people like MBS that were previously more confrontational about Iranian regime are not actually ideologically motivated and can change their positions in a minute which makes them unreliable as leaders to their nations and to their allies

And a war like this should've never been started if there isn't commitment to fight it out. If Israel wants to take it on and bear costs of war it can fight it itself who is stopping them?
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Some of these Arab leaders were hyping up a showdown with Iran but never prepared for it. Seems the plan we will see US and Israel take charge. Particularly USA. No plan B of any sort.

Some of them like Qatar and Oman did see that they don't want a showdown and want mutual cooperation in the region. Oman is closer to neutrality and mutual cooperation.

Problem now is push came to shove and they don't know want they want to do. Israel and US are bullying them by throwing them into a situation they can't bear clearly but at same they have themselves to blame for putting incompetent families in charge of their nations.
 
ShapurII said:
Yes, but we don't need to fire at "the Ukraine" directly.

We just need to find one Ukrainian civilian vessel somewhere within our reach and hit it. That's all that we need to do.

Or at least we need to force the Ukraine to pay compensation for killing an Iranian national!

These fuckers refused our payment because they thought it was too low and filed a lawsuit against us over the Ukrainian passenger plane. Don't you remember? We were going to pay each one of the victims a large sum of money and they still said no!
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You don't need to fire anything at Ukraine. IRGC appears to be running the show and is directing their operations effectively. I've been impressed by how they have stuck to a consistent policy now. It makes sense because 40+ years of work the US and Israel came to halt or destroy and IRGC basically said you committed to something big and dangerous and we're not letting anyone off the hook easily even if we go down we may bring others down as well.
 
Falcon29 said:
You don't need to fire anything at Ukraine. IRGC appears to be running the show and is directing their operations effectively. I've been impressed by how they have stuck to a consistent policy now. It makes sense because 40+ years of work the US and Israel came to halt or destroy and IRGC basically said you committed to something big and dangerous and we're not letting anyone off the hook easily even if we go down we may bring others down as well.
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Pro-Iran supporters should thank God IRGC put politicians aside and took over leadership of war because it's an exisistential war and now is the time to do the risk taking

It may get worse we don't know but there's no way out
 
Falcon29 said:
Saudi crown prince is just not a natural leader. This is what you get when some kid successor of a family is put in charge. Leadership skills are earned through experiences, resilience, exposure to adversity, high intelligence, etc.... You cannot just put people that aren't leadership worthy into such positions

He doesn't know what his vision is or what he wants to do. He doesn't actually know how he wants to approach Iran.

I don't trust Axios garbage paper at all but there may be some truth to him calling for de-escalation of situation because like I said he's not leadership material.

Even someone like Sisi is more of leadership material even if you don't like his type of leadership he has his vision and came from the bottom and worked his up in the military.

This means there are disagreements on how to approach the conflict and people like MBS that were previously more confrontational about Iranian regime are not actually ideologically motivated and can change their positions in a minute which makes them unreliable as leaders to their nations and to their allies

And a war like this should've never been started if there isn't commitment to fight it out. If Israel wants to take it on and bear costs of war it can fight it itself who is stopping them?
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Yes This Saudi Prince is a bit immature for politics.

His father should continue running the country.
 
$80 a barrel is too stable a price for US to back down from long term economic pressure on Iran and Naval blockade

Very simply IRGC has to blow it up and severely escalate this week whether that means targeting lots of oil tankers , not just one daily, or more than that, maybe even a strike on an Israeli infrastructure or gas field

This is the time to put the foot on the gas as time is not on Iran sides, pressure Trump into having to make a high stakes decision - either major escalation or deal , this is the time to compound pressure on him
 
ShapurII said:
Yes, but we don't need to fire at "the Ukraine" directly.

We just need to find one Ukrainian civilian vessel somewhere within our reach and hit it. That's all that we need to do.

Or at least we need to force the Ukraine to pay compensation for killing an Iranian national!

These fuckers refused our payment because they thought it was too low and filed a lawsuit against us over the Ukrainian passenger plane. Don't you remember? We were going to pay each one of the victims a large sum of money and they still said no!
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If they are truly determined to use Ukraine against Iran, they can have Ukraine escalate by hitting Iranian ground targets after an Iranian retaliation. Or even without an Iranian retaliation. Israel can train and supply a couple of Ukrainian battalions dedicated to lobbing a couple of projectiles at Iran every week. That cycle will reduce pressure on Israel and sap Iranian missile inventory.

I remember the Ukrainian plane. It seemed like electronic warfare but Salami apologized. Probably under pressure from Zarif. Ukraine is like a rabid dog undeterred by a kick to the face. It is the rabies that is the driver not the dog. I don't put anything past them at this point.
 
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Cargo vessel struck by projectile off Oman​

The United Kingdom’s Maritime Trade Operations (UKMTO) agency says a cargo vessel has reported being struck by an unknown projectile 20 nautical miles northeast of Al Khasab, Oman.

UKMTO said authorities are investigating the incident.

It advised vessels in the area to transit with caution and report any suspicious activity.
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I feel like the Iranians want this war to actually heat up
 
Persian Gulf said:
this is what Araghchi (and now Rezaee) is calling an apology:

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An apology has the word of “I’m sorry” or “we apologize”, this is the political equivalent of saying we made a mistake, but won’t apologize for it.

ShapurII said:
even accepts responsibility and boasts about it without even apologizing to us, and doesn't even pay a penny to us
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If I recall correctly, Ukraine will pay compensation to Iran for damages and likely blood money of some sorts to the sailors family.
 
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