Makkah Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Pakistan First]

Maybe I am dumb but this raises so many questions in my head.

Türkiye is already part of NATO, they have US and Europe to defend them - in theory at least. Why do they need Pakistan? and what can Pakistan do to support that the mighty Amreeka cannot? Türkiye itself is militarily doing a lot better than Pakistan. Saudi is not exactly known for having an effective military machine. So what does Türkiye get out of it?

Saudis might feel a bit more comfortable against Iran perhaps since they would now have men ready to be sacrificed for them. They can already buy any weapons in the world so they don't need Pakistan and Türkiye for weapons. They get Pakistani manpower to operate Western weapons I guess.

Most importantly though, what does Pakistan get out of it? apart from of course comfortable retirement packages for the generals and the other thieves.

If India invades, would Saudis lend us their Typhoons and F15s? Would we get free supply of oil? Will we get free KAANs and advanced Turkish drones?

My bet is that its just one of the countless useless episodes to make the Saudi royals feel good. Like that 'Coalition of Islamic armies' that a retired army chief was appointed to lead - whatever happened to that.

I am open to be enlightened though.

I have written few posts earlier which answers some of the questions. Will briefly explain again.

First the three countries are not stupid to get into a PACT without actual mutual benefits.

As far as Turkey is concerned, the NATO won't do a thing if Turkey is involved in a conflict against a NATO state. Like Greece. France might come to aid of Greece and even Israel. Turkey will also benefit enormously with its defense enterprise. Imagine if KSA starts to buy worth billion of dollar equipment from Turkish industries.

Also we need not to look at the pact as AGAINST anyone. These PACTS mostly act as a DETERRENCE. Avoiding a war is much better than being imposed one over you. Pact is also a defense pact. Not an aggression pact. The pact will not be activated if any of these 3 countries are aggressors. So the nature of pact is at deterrent level.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Now that Pakistan have convinced even Turkey to protect SA, hopefully they can finally invest in Pakistan? That $10bn Gwadar oil city is still pending.

 

[Pakistan First]

How can Pakistan protect Saudi Arabia against Israel ? It has no technology or assets to shootdown Israeli Air Force, neither can it stop Israeli ballistic or cruise missiles. It cannot stop Israeli Navy nor the Mossad.

By all means, it can. The deterrence.

Pakistan has plethora of weapons to hit Israel if using Saudi territory. PAF can actually refuel over Iran, fly till Iraq and drop stand off munition at Israel. The low flying cruise missiles or ABMs are 100s of times much harder for Israelis to intercept than traditional BMs or shaheds. So Pakistan definitely possess a solid deterrence as far as Israel is concerned. On top the nuclear aspect so enemy cannot thing beyond a point in escalation.

Deterrence is not a air defense system. Its your ability to punish the adversary. So if you attack us or our ally then you will pay in equal terms.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

Also we need not to look at the pact as AGAINST anyone. These PACTS mostly act as a DETERRENCE. Avoiding a war is much better than being imposed one over you. Pact is also a defense pact. Not an aggression pact. The pact will not be activated if any of these 3 countries are aggressors. So the nature of pact is at deterrent level.

Remember this, the defence pacts are always tested!

 

[MMM-E]

Glad we didn't join this alliance , maybe the f** sisi is doing one smart thing in his life.
we don't wanna fight for the gulfies nor for the turks.

Turks aren't to be trusted for the Egyptians since they always ally themselves with the enemies of Egypt .

What value can Egypt offer ?

No money
No military Industry - technology
No greater military power than them

 

[RocketLaw]

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Israel and the UAE interventions in Somalia, Libya, Syria, and Sudan ironically produced exactly the outcome they sought to avoid. The unbalanced geopolitical maneuvers in the region acted as a catalyst, organizing regional powers and accelerating the formation of the Türkiye-Saudi Arabia-Pakistan axis.

The "peace" agreements they pressured others to sign on issues beyond Palestine did not fracture the Islamic world it made it more unified. The bloc the Muslim world had long awaited has finally materialized, and those who delivered this gift should understand what they have wrought.

 

[the vicious kind]

FY 2025–26 the trade volume between India and Saudi Arabia was US$ 41.07 Billion ! So yeah they are going to kick out Indian Workers from their country !

India–China bilateral trade stood at around $151 billion. Did that stop China from pushing into disputed territory in Eastern Ladakh and altering the status quo around Pangong Lake?

Trade volume is transactional ... Strategic pacts run deeper .. Dehli dhoor hai

 

[Meengla]

Pakistan:
- Nuclear weapon program. Developing 100s of nuclear warheads despite US sanctions in the past during development.
- Israel's non-recognition and its condemnation at every intl stage.
- Supporting its own groups when US forces were in Afghanistan
- All weather alliance with China (United States Biggest rival). Building various defense and strategic projects with China.

Plus, to be noted: Pakistan had stopped the NATO supplies to Afghanistan in early 2010s for months. Which 'vassal' state could do that? I am so SICK of some Pakistanis misinforming this forum about Pakistan's foreign policy; these Pakistanis bring Pakistan's domestic politics into Pakistan's foreign policy all the time.

How can Pakistan protect Saudi Arabia against Israel ? It has no technology or assets to shootdown Israeli Air Force, neither can it stop Israeli ballistic or cruise missiles. It cannot stop Israeli Navy nor the Mossad.

Iran, despite much lesser AD capabilities than Pakistan, has reduced the attacking air force jets to fire from a distance. Pakistan is certain to work with China and Saudi Arabia to strengthen Pakistan's deployed forces in Saudi Arabia. I am not a military hardware guy but let's discuss this IF Israel dares another Qatar like attack on Saudi Arabia.

 

[RocketLaw]

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[falcon34]

This agreement would be nothing but dead weight when India attacks Pakistan, these two fkers will try their best to cuck our response, this will add further layers of centralization before we respond to India, fk the duffer who thought this is a good idea, I mean what we get the Saudis and Turks get a nuclear umbrella what do we get? Fking nothing.

 

[Watandar]

By all means, it can. The deterrence.

Pakistan has plethora of weapons to hit Israel if using Saudi territory. PAF can actually refuel over Iran, fly till Iraq and drop stand off munition at Israel. The low flying cruise missiles or ABMs are 100s of times much harder for Israelis to intercept than traditional BMs or shaheds. So Pakistan definitely possess a solid deterrence as far as Israel is concerned. On top the nuclear aspect so enemy cannot thing beyond a point in escalation.

Deterrence is not a air defense system. Its your ability to punish the adversary. So if you attack us or our ally then you will pay in equal terms.

PAF re-fuel's over Iraq and then drop munitions on Israel ? low flying cruise missiles, ABM's ??? what magical thinking is this ? Pakistan does not have these capabilities.

 

[hussain0216]

I never said it's ok to stay silent when israel doing genocide to gazans , what that has to do with us refusing to join a treaty aimed at attacking other muslims states and groups?

No one is attacking other Muslim states, what we need is change and an alliance that can start to make a difference

This is the start

Egypt at the moment is a weak link in the Arab and Muslim world, that needs to change

 

[Meengla]

Israel and the UAE interventions in Somalia, Libya, Syria, and Sudan ironically produced exactly the outcome they sought to avoid. The unbalanced geopolitical maneuvers in the region acted as a catalyst, organizing regional powers and accelerating the formation of the Türkiye-Saudi Arabia-Pakistan axis.
The "peace" agreements they pressured others to sign on issues beyond Palestine did not fracture the Islamic world it made it more unified. The bloc the Muslim world had long awaited has finally materialized, and those who delivered this gift should understand what they have wrought.

Right. Add the Israeli attack on Qatar to the list of Netanyahu's follies. He is turning out to be Israel's Narendra Modi when it comes to foreign policy.

 

[hussain0216]

PAF re-fuel's over Iraq and then drop munitions on Israel ? low flying cruise missiles, ABM's ??? what magical thinking is this ? Pakistan does not have these capabilities.

With the correct support and resources it can

That's the point,

Their is no reason to think small,
See the problem then work out a solution

Doing nothing and sitting on our hands achieves nothing

And when you work in alliances you can come up with solutions and utilize joint funding


I genuinely don't get the small thinking or why so many think doing nothing and remaining isolated whilst we are picked off one by one is a solution

 

[MMM-E]

This agreement would be nothing but dead weight when India attacks Pakistan, these two fkers will try their best to cuck our response, this will add further layers of centralization before we respond to India, fk the duffer who thought this is a good idea, I mean what we get the Saudis and Turks get a nuclear umbrella what do we get? Fking nothing.

Money and technology
also deterrence

After this agreement, India can't even dream of attacking Pakistan.

Saudi , Pakistan and Turkish Air Forces would rape India.