Makkah Joint Defense Agreement: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

America would never allow in a million years such a defensive bloc being formed within the AOR of CENTCOM if the bloc was targeted at israel.
Let's not forget: HE is the SUPER POWER over ALL WORLDs. And, HE puts even HIS enemies into materializing HIS PLANs....

As for the USA, she came into being 250 years ago. And, after playing the sole (worldly) super power role for 30 years she's become extremely tired and exhausted....

This Dunya is the Alem-i Hikmet, where the events take place by (apparent) cause and effects. And, both the causes and effects are generated as per the Murad-i Ilahi. The Akhiret is the Alem-i Kudret, where no intermediaries would be required....
 
America would never allow in a million years such a defensive bloc being formed within the AOR of CENTCOM if the bloc was targeted at israel.

The defensive bloc us NOT targeting ANYONE. It is as the name suggest, PURELY defensive. It's to stop aggressors and potential aggressors from targeting Pakistan, Turkiye and Saudi Arabia. Perhaps Pakistan, Turkiye and Saudi Arabia are the targets of some evil regime which is why this pact was formed.
 
America would never allow in a million years such a defensive bloc being formed within the AOR of CENTCOM if the bloc was targeted at israel.
I am afraid it is formed to contain Ansarallah in Yemen in order to breach blockade imposed by them of saudi oil exports and deterence for Iran once they are attacked again by ziocrusaders.
 
America would never allow in a million years such a defensive bloc being formed within the AOR of CENTCOM if the bloc was targeted at israel.

It is a matter of who is the POTUS. As I had some pages ago, since the beginning of the Oslo Accords--or maybe even before that if we go back to Carter's Camp David Accord--the Democratic POTUS have been wanting to give Israel the primacy in the region along with the Republican POTUS, however the latter have the Zealots--irrational ones--who keep dragging America into the Middle East quagmires to serve Israel.
The American interests lie in countering China. Democrats have been trying that for decades but the irrational nature of the Republican Party is preventing that. And when a nation acts irrationally, it pays a price. I can already see the Petro Dollar in grave danger because a compromised POTUS Trump crossed the Rubicon by launching the war on Iran, while solidly backed by the Republicans.
 
This networked air force, dispersed aircraft, buzzword filled operation by Turkey, Saudi and Pakistan against Israel exists only in your imagination. None of these countries can mount any such attack on Israel at the present, nor 5 years from now.

You brought up Israeli air force attacks on Iran, so can Saudi or Turkey or Pakistan air defense stop those ALBM's ? No.

No please go ahead and tell us about these Pakistani secret facilities which no-one has ever heard of before. You have a vivid imagination.

This is laughable . Israelis were able to penetrate Iranian facilities with a virus delivered by an agent, which destroyed Iranian centrifuges while at the same time misleading the Iranian control room. Israeli psy ops and propaganda are at a level that makes Pakistan or Turkey look like children. There was no Indian electricity grid knocked offline on May 10th, if that had actually happened you would have crowed about it 1 million times, like the Rafales.

You say this in a country that has suffered from terrorism and insurgency for 30 years straight ? Pakistan cannot defeat foreign sponsored terrorists in its own land, how is it going to tackle Mossad in the Mid east ? Or do you believe in the fiction that ISI is "best intelligence agency in the world".

At least the Turks have been able to handle their domestic terrorism problem.

You have little to no conventional capability to take on Israel. Neither offensive nor defensive. Everything you possess, be it planes or missile or drones or satellite or AD, the Israelis have a more advanced version alongwith many more toys.

You don't have thousands of ballistic missiles or drones like Iran either, so you cannot even replicate what the Iranians were able to achieve against Israel.

As far as your hints about Nuclear-tipped missiles and its threat to Israel, I don't think such nonsense is even worth debating.

My problem is Pakistan signing up to fight for rich foreigners and ignoring its own political, social and economic development. It's what has ruined the country. Your crazed obsession with Mr Imran Khan is your problem.
Do you even understand what a nuclear threshold means? I will not bother explaining the basics to you.

On underground facilities, nobody needs to disclose classified locations to establish that Pakistan has spent decades hardening, dispersing and concealing strategic assets, especially not to satisfy some foreign expat on a forum. If you are genuinely curious, you can research the geology around Pakistani airbases and the mountain systems extending into the Hindu Kush. I will leave it at that.

Pakistan also possesses a fundamentally different deterrence structure from Iran. Iran’s response was largely one dimensional, relying heavily on repeated ballistic missile and drone barrages, exactly the type of threat Israel has spent decades preparing to counter. Everybody knows how that ended. Pakistan’s response would be multi domain we possesses an active modern fighter force, extensive AEW&C coverage, dispersed air assets, road mobile missile systems and a nuclear arsenal deliberately designed around survivability and second strike capability.

These are not “buzzwords.” They are basic elements of military doctrine. The fact that you do not understand them does not make them imaginary. Should I really have to go system by system and explain each one to you before you accept that they exist?

You keep talking as though Israel can simply repeat the Iran campaign against Pakistan by changing the name on the target folder. It cannot.

And dismissing nuclear escalation as “nonsense” does not make nuclear weapons disappear from Israeli operational planning or threat calculations. That risk would sit at the centre of any decision involving direct conflict with Pakistan.

Stuxnet was an impressive U.S. Israeli intelligence operation against Iran. Nobody disputes that. But one successful cyber operation does not establish permanent cyber supremacy over every other nuclear state. Do you know how many people work in Pakistan's nuclear program? The number is close to six figures. We have had multiple cyberattacks against our facilities in the past. We are still here.. I dont need to disclose further.

But overall, I do not entirely blame you. Living in the U.S., you are constantly exposed to a media environment that often portrays Israeli military and intelligence capabilities as almost omnipotent.
 
I am afraid it is formed to contain Ansarallah in Yemen in order to breach blockade imposed by them of saudi oil exports and deterence for Iran once they are attacked again by ziocrusaders.

Sure it is. If america, the west and israel can't stop the blockade than Pakistan, Turkiye and Saudi Arabia definitely can.......... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Do you even understand what a nuclear threshold means? I will not bother explaining the basics to you.

On underground facilities, nobody needs to disclose classified locations to establish that Pakistan has spent decades hardening, dispersing and concealing strategic assets, especially not to satisfy some foreign expat on a forum. If you are genuinely curious, you can research the geology around Pakistani airbases and the mountain systems extending into the Hindu Kush. I will leave it at that.

Pakistan also possesses a fundamentally different deterrence structure from Iran. Iran’s response was largely one dimensional, relying heavily on repeated ballistic missile and drone barrages, exactly the type of threat Israel has spent decades preparing to counter. Everybody knows how that ended. Pakistan’s response would be multi domain we possesses an active modern fighter force, extensive AEW&C coverage, dispersed air assets, road mobile missile systems and a nuclear arsenal deliberately designed around survivability and second strike capability.

These are not “buzzwords.” They are basic elements of military doctrine. The fact that you do not understand them does not make them imaginary. Should I really have to go system by system and explain each one to you before you accept that they exist?

You keep talking as though Israel can simply repeat the Iran campaign against Pakistan by changing the name on the target folder. It cannot.

And dismissing nuclear escalation as “nonsense” does not make nuclear weapons disappear from Israeli operational planning or threat calculations. That risk would sit at the centre of any decision involving direct conflict with Pakistan.

Stuxnet was an impressive U.S. Israeli intelligence operation against Iran. Nobody disputes that. But one successful cyber operation does not establish permanent cyber supremacy over every other nuclear state. Do you know how many people work in Pakistan's nuclear program? The number is close to six figures. We have had multiple cyberattacks against our facilities in the past. We are still here.. I dont need to disclose further.

But overall, I do not entirely blame you. Living in the U.S., you are constantly exposed to a media environment that often portrays Israeli military and intelligence capabilities as almost omnipotent.


Ignore him. This watander guy is not the brightest star in the sky. He is very ignorant and is prone to propaganda. He also makes childlike comments and mistakes in his posts.

PS He is likely an afghan troll on pdf.
 
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Sure it is. If america, the west and israel can't stop the blockade than Pakistan, Turkiye and Saudi Arabia definitely can.......... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I will give it some time to prove me wrong, nobody would be more happy then me if it is formed from reasons that muslim states get free from tutelage and not as another western tool for manipulation to shed some more muslim blood.
 
Pakistan also possesses a fundamentally different deterrence structure from Iran. Iran’s response was largely one dimensional, relying heavily on repeated ballistic missile and drone barrages, exactly the type of threat Israel has spent decades preparing to counter. Everybody knows how that ended. Pakistan’s response would be multi domain we possesses an active modern fighter force, extensive AEW&C coverage, dispersed air assets, road mobile missile systems and a nuclear arsenal deliberately designed around survivability and second strike capability.

Pakistan maybe hobbled by its economy in many ways but its Air Force is second to none, IMO. That is not because Pakistanis are some genius; that's because Pakistan has faced an existential threat for nearly 8 decades from a much larger, powerful enemy whose Defense Minister himself just recently was eying even an undisputed place like the province of Sindh. I mean Sindh--not taking the Pakistani administered Kashmir.

No country in the world has faced so great odds, for so long as Pakistan has. No country! If Pakistan was another weakling South Asian nation then India would have invaded taken land from Pakistan. A fact the expats in their expansive mode don't understand.
 
Majority Shia's in Pakistan will most likely oppose this, and will see it against the "Innocent" Iranians, but Pakistan have much more deeper ties with Turkiye and KSA than it has with Iran, KSA is important due to Mecca and Medina, and Turkiye because its one of the country that supported Pakistan when it stand alone, as for Iran they have shown support on and off but it is also true that Iran has ran extensive Proxy networks within Pakistan, and allowed India to use Chahbhar port to ran terrorist network inside Baluchistan, Kulbhushan Yadev in Pakistani jail is the prime example of that.

Pakistan as stupid as they are, will rally behind their alleged Sects, and shout and curse the establishment if the country's policy doesn't allign with their sect, that's why I call Pakistani's which includes me extremely guilable/dumb/stupid, and their lack of nationalism and love for their own country baffles me, they would fight/die for other countries and its people who will not even spit on their faces if they are dying of thirsts, be it KSA/Iran or Afghanistan.
3 points for house ‘Shit that didn’t happen’!

Can we stop generalizing and stereotying millions? Not sure which surveys/nasha you pull out of your asses to throw out these absurd sectarian claims with such confidence.
 
Pakistan maybe hobbled by its economy in many ways but its Air Force is second to none, IMO. That is not because Pakistanis are some genius; that's because Pakistan has faced an existential threat for nearly 8 decades from a much larger, powerful enemy whose Defense Minister himself just recently was eying even an undisputed place like the province of Sindh. I mean Sindh--not taking the Pakistani administered Kashmir.

No country in the world has faced so great odds, for so long as Pakistan has. No country! If Pakistan was another weakling South Asian nation then India would have invaded taken land from Pakistan. A fact the expats in their expansive mode don't understand.
If Pakistan can achieve all these staffs with an empty coffer, what will it be like when it gets filled with a slight amount of changes?
 
Oh my friend if Iran ever goes to war with Pakistan Persian Civilisation will end over night.
I dont believe that bro, you sounds like the Orange man, but without the toys of Orange man. Pakistan can practise with Talibstan (Afghanistan) first or even some groups like TTP. When those are defeated/occupied/destroyed for good, I will take your comment just a little little bit more serious.

You know what? Show your power. Macca pact provides the best opportunity to show how stronk you are. Go and defeat the Houthis first, they are at 5% of Irans power and capabilities.
 

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