The unbreakable connection between Mongolia and China

[retaxis]

Here are some facts about Mongolia and China that you may not know but may be interesting.

- More than twice as many mongols live in China than in Mongolia

-Inner Mongolia (China) is historically the real mongolia of language, culture and arts

- Genghis Khan mausoleum is in China (inner Mongolia) not mongolia

-Mongolia was part of Qing China for over 200years

-Genghis Khan tribe the Khalkha mongols surrendered and assimilated into Qing China.

-Mongolia has population of only 3 million people and depend on China for pretty much everything. To contact Mongolia

- Taiwan aka roc does not recognise Mongolia and see it as a central part of china.

-In July 2026, a violent antisemitic assault targeted Israeli tourists at a campsite in northern Mongolia, but diplomatic communication regarding the incident went through the Israeli Embassy in China (which is accredited to handle diplomatic affairs for Mongolia) rather than the Chinese Foreign Ministry running or managing the response for Mongolia itself

-Chinese mongols have to go to Mongolia to teach mongol language to mongols as the old script is almost dead in mongolia.

-If China was an expansionist country, Mongolia would fall before brunch. Lucky China is peaceful nation.

 

[Anatolia]

Mongolians are East Asians. So this is normal.

 

[retaxis]

Mongolians are East Asians. So this is normal.

Mongol and Turks were one during the Xiong-Nu Confederacy. They only split after their defeat and Turks went West and Mongols stayed north-east.

 

[retaxis]

Drungar Mongols:

The Dzungar genocide was the systematic mass extermination of the Dzungar people—a confederation of Western Buddhist Oirat Mongols—ordered by the Qianlong Emperor of the Qing dynasty between 1755 and 1758. [1]
This state-directed campaign resulted in the eradication of approximately 70% to 80% of the Dzungar population, equating to an estimated 420,000 to 500,000 deaths, effectively destroying the last great nomadic empire of Asia. [1, 2, 3, 4]

Core Dynamics of the Genocide

• The Trigger: The Dzungar leader Amursana allied with the Qing dynasty to seize power but revolted in 1755 when the Qing attempted to divide the Dzungar Khanate. Enraged by this defiance, the Qianlong Emperor ordered the total eradication of the Dzungar nation and name. [1, 2]
• The Perpetrators: The campaign was carried out by Manchu, Han, Salar, and Khalkha Mongol troops of the Qing military. [1]
• Local Alliances: Turkic oasis dwellers (ancestors of modern Uyghurs) actively supported the Qing forces due to intense resentment over heavy taxes and subjugation under previous Dzungar rule. [1]
• Collateral Victims: Qing forces frequently failed to distinguish between different nomadic groups, leading to the collateral targeting of Turkic Kipchak nomads, Kazakhs, and Kyrgyz. [1]

Dual Causes of Death
Historical consensus attributes the near-total destruction of the population to two primary forces: [1]

• Direct Slaughter: Qing soldiers systematically raided encampments, executed adult males, and distributed surviving women and children as slaves to Mongol and Manchu banners. [1, 2, 3, 4]
• Smallpox Epidemic: The chaos of the war triggered a massive smallpox outbreak that tore through vulnerable communities, accounting for roughly 40% of the total casualties. [1]

Geopolitical Aftermath

• Complete Depopulation: The native population of Dzungaria was almost entirely wiped out, leaving a vast territorial vacuum. [1, 2, 3]
• Resettlement Campaign: The Qing government actively repopulated the vacant lands by relocating Han, Hui, Uyghur, and Sibe settlers alongside Manchu military banners onto state-run farms. [1, 2]
• Historical Precedent: Modern historians, such as Mark Levene, categorize the event as an archetypal 18th-century genocide that permanently reshaped the demographics of what is now northern Xinjiang. [1, 2, 3, 4]

 

[ety]

Mongolia and North Korea (possibly the whole Korean peninsula) are the only foreign countries that are really critical to China's security. Russia is also critical to China's security, but Russia is totally out of Chinese control. Being so close to Beijing the capital, if some powerful hostile country is going to station large number of troops in Mongolia, they would threaten the security of Northern China, as the Soviets did in the cold war. That's why China will never let any powerful country to occupy Mongolia or North Korea.

 

[Michael]

Here are some facts about Mongolia and China that you may not know but may be interesting.

- More than twice as many mongols live in China than in Mongolia

-Inner Mongolia (China) is historically the real mongolia of language, culture and arts

- Genghis Khan mausoleum is in China (inner Mongolia) not mongolia

-Mongolia was part of Qing China for over 200years

-Genghis Khan tribe the Khalkha mongols surrendered and assimilated into Qing China.

-Mongolia has population of only 3 million people and depend on China for pretty much everything. To contact Mongolia

- Taiwan aka roc does not recognise Mongolia and see it as a central part of china.

-In July 2026, a violent antisemitic assault targeted Israeli tourists at a campsite in northern Mongolia, but diplomatic communication regarding the incident went through the Israeli Embassy in China (which is accredited to handle diplomatic affairs for Mongolia) rather than the Chinese Foreign Ministry running or managing the response for Mongolia itself

-Chinese mongols have to go to Mongolia to teach mongol language to mongols as the old script is almost dead in mongolia.

-If China was an expansionist country, Mongolia would fall before brunch. Lucky China is peaceful nation.

This is an interesting topic.

Mongolia's relationship with modern China is not friendly, but it's not too bad either.
In the current world relations, Mongolia is a very special country. No other country is in a similar situation to them.

But, this forum is not a good place to discuss these kinds of issues.

 

[retaxis]

Mongolia and North Korea (possibly the whole Korean peninsula) are the only foreign countries that are really critical to China's security. Russia is also critical to China's security, but Russia is totally out of Chinese control. Being so close to Beijing the capital, if some powerful hostile country is going to station large number of troops in Mongolia, they would threaten the security of Northern China, as the Soviets did in the cold war. That's why China will never let any powerful country to occupy Mongolia or North Korea.

Mongolia will probably one day vote to join up with China and reconnect with their mongol brothers and sisters in china too. Mongolia just doesn't have any legs to stand on since its smashed between Russia and China. Be much better for Mongolians in Mongolia to just join China and preserve their culture and language like the uighurs if they wish.

 

[Anatolia]

Mongol and Turks were one during the Xiong-Nu Confederacy. They only split after their defeat and Turks went West and Mongols stayed north-east.

I get what you’re trying to say, but this “Mongols and Turks were one people” claim is way too simplified. I don’t see much real similarity between Mongols and Turks today, and historically the picture is way more complex than that one sentence suggests.

First, the Xiongnu period is still debated. Modern historians don’t agree on whether the Xiongnu were Turkic, Mongolic, or a mix of multiple steppe groups. The steppe was never one ethnicity... it was confederations of tribes that spoke different languages and had different origins. Being part of the same confederacy doesn’t mean they were “one people.”

Second, Turks weren’t sitting in one fixed homeland. They were nomadic and spread across huge parts of Central Asia long before the Mongols formed a unified identity. You had Oghuz, Kipchak, Karluk, and many other Turkic tribes scattered across the region. Some of these tribes interacted with early Mongolic groups, sure.. but interaction doesn’t equal shared identity.

Third, Mongols settled in Central Asia much later. The Mongol Empire is 13th century. By that time, Turkic states and khanates already existed across the region for centuries — Göktürks, Uyghurs, Karakhanids, Seljuks, etc. The Mongols absorbed Turkic populations, not the other way around.

So yes, some Turkic and Mongolic tribes were close at certain points in history, but that doesn’t rewrite the entire ethnogenesis of either group. Steppe confederacies were political alliances, not ethnic unions. After they split, each group developed its own language, culture, and identity — which is why today Turks and Mongols don’t really resemble each other in any meaningful way.

Long read. but felt it had to be said.

 

[ety]

Mongolia will probably one day vote to join up with China and reconnect with their mongol brothers and sisters in china too. Mongolia just doesn't have any legs to stand on since its smashed between Russia and China. Be much better for Mongolians in Mongolia to just join China and preserve their culture and language like the uighurs if they wish.

The problem is that many people esp in remote regions with different cultures usually want to have their own kings. Just as Vietnam, despite being part of Chinese empire for a thousand years, it still broke away and became independent when it got the opportunity.

 

[retaxis]

The problem is that many people esp in remote regions with different cultures usually want to have their own kings. Just as Vietnam, despite being part of Chinese empire for a thousand years, it still broke away and became independent when it got the opportunity.

Yeah but vietnam has 100mil people and colonial history of French influence. Meanwhile most mongols already live in china and depend huge amounts to china. Can't say for sure what the future hold but connecting the Mongol people unifying under the United chinese mandate is best for them long term.

 

[ety]

Yeah but vietnam has 100mil people and colonial history of French influence. Meanwhile most mongols already live in china and depend huge amounts to china. Can't say for sure what the future hold but connecting the Mongol people unifying under the United chinese mandate is best for them long term.

Not saying that China wants to incorporate Vietnam back into China again esp now with Vietnam's love and hate relation with China or Vietnamese want to. Yes, Mongolia is little different, someday, they might want to join China again if they see no future for Mongolia and have no hope to catch up the disparity with their brothers and sisters in China. But then, the biggest obstacle might come from Russia that sure will not like to see the reunion happen.

 

[retaxis]

Not saying that China wants to incorporate Vietnam back into China again esp now with Vietnam's love and hate relation with China or Vietnamese want to. Yes, Mongolia is little different, someday, they might want to join China again if they see no future for Mongolia and have no hope to catch up the disparity with their brothers and sisters in China. But then, the biggest obstacle might come from Russia that sure will not like to see the reunion happen.

I agree i think russia treats central Asia as its backyard while knowing Mongolia is chinas backyard. They cant do anything if Mongolia joins china, they might even support.

 

[retaxis]

China and Mongolia are as close as lips and teeth.

Mongolia contrary to what I thought originally actually does have a few toys in its inventory. Its obviously not comparable to its northern or southern neighbour but its decent for a country of 3mil people.

The Ground Forces possess over 470 tanks, 650 Infantry Fighting Vehicles and armored personnel carriers, 500 mobile anti-aircraft weapons, more than 700 artillery and mortar and other military equipment. Most of them are old Soviet Union models designed between the late 1950s to early 1980s. There are a smaller number of newer models designed in post-Soviet Russia.