New site for combine command Infrastructure? or GHQ ?

[Starlord]

So everyone noticed that few countries have invested heavily on massive command and control infrastructure for their militaries, mainly Egypt and Turkiye's example comes to mind.

Egyptian Octagon becomes the world's largest military HQ center.
Meanwhile Turkiye is also building its new HQ which is not completed yet.

I understand that both countries have spend billions of dollars into these massive infrastructures which include tunnels, reinforced bunkers and command and control centers, although one down side of such massive structures are that they become the prime targets of your enemy in times of conflict.

Now coming to the discussion that, should Pakistan also look into moving its GHQ from Rawalpindi to some other place ? And if so which Pakistan's city offer best location for such structures if Money is not a issue, now i know the moment people will read this money will become the major point of discussion, but to remind you guys here that this is a hypothetical scenario which we are talking about, in this case we are discussing only the best location for such combined command and control stucture if we were to ever build one. Here is breakdown of distance of GHQ to major Indian Air bases near Pakistan border.

Would love to see what other members think about which city can serve the best location vise, geopraphy wise for a hypthetical command and control center to protect it from drones/missile strikes in future conflict and wars, a C&C center which is not cramped with civilian population that pose a risk due to leaks in intelligence and movements of troops and weapon systems. A city that offers somewhat decent distance from both Afghanistan and Indian attacks, as drones ranges gets improve by every year, we have to that into consideration. My pick would be somewhere between Multan, Layyah and Dera Gazi Khan. Or maybe near Mianwali, Baluchistan can be a good place but given the situation there will not be the best place, but i would love to hear what other people think.

Please don't get into this back and forth about funds/money, as this is purely a hypthetical scenario.

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[Master Chief]

Nope. Very vulnerable. Would all be for expensive show and would be a liability in a war.

We need to learn what modern warfare looks like from the Ukr-Russ conflict and the Iran-US conflict. Unless you build this sort of thing under a mountain, it is vulnerable to Indian attacks. Pointless and far better things to spend money on.

 

[Starlord]

Nope. Very vulnerable. Would all be for expensive show and would be a liability in a war.

We need to learn what modern warfare looks like from the Ukr-Russ conflict and the Iran-US conflict. Unless you build this sort of thing under a mountain, it is vulnerable to Indian attacks. Pointless and far better things to spend money on.

This thread is more about a possible location, i know such large structures will become vulnarable but we are just discussing a possible location for a new command and control center, as pindi become very populated.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

So everyone noticed that few countries have invested heavily on massive command and control infrastructure for their militaries, mainly Egypt and Turkiye's example comes to mind.
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Egyptian Octagon becomes the world's largest military HQ center.
Meanwhile Turkiye is also building its new HQ which is not completed yet.
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I understand that both countries have spend billions of dollars into these massive infrastructures which include tunnels, reinforced bunkers and command and control centers, although one down side of such massive structures are that they become the prime targets of your enemy in times of conflict.

Now coming to the discussion that, should Pakistan also look into moving its GHQ from Rawalpindi to some other place ? And if so which Pakistan's city offer best location for such structures if Money is not a issue, now i know the moment people will read this money will become the major point of discussion, but to remind you guys here that this is a hypothetical scenario which we are talking about, in this case we are discussing only the best location for such combined command and control stucture if we were to ever build one. Here is breakdown of distance of GHQ to major Indian Air bases near Pakistan border.
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Would love to see what other members think about which city can serve the best location vise, geopraphy wise for a hypthetical command and control center to protect it from drones/missile strikes in future conflict and wars, a C&C center which is not cramped with civilian population that pose a risk due to leaks in intelligence and movements of troops and weapon systems. A city that offers somewhat decent distance from both Afghanistan and Indian attacks, as drones ranges gets improve by every year, we have to that into consideration. My pick would be somewhere between Multan, Layyah and Dera Gazi Khan. Or maybe near Mianwali, Baluchistan can be a good place but given the situation there will not be the best place, but i would love to hear what other people think.

Please don't get into this back and forth about funds/money, as this is purely a hypthetical scenario.

@Waz @Panzerkiel @Oscar @Yasser76 @Ali_Baba @maxpane @Blain2 @HRK @Pakistani Dragon @hydrabadi_arab @kimjongun @Par 5 @Musings @RescueRanger @PAKISTANFOREVER @hussain0216 @ghazi52

Slightly OFF TOPIC but before we consider the above, from looking at the recent Iran vs america/israel conflict I think it is EXTREMELY IMPERATIVE that Pakistan builds deep reinforced underground military complexes to house and build Pakistan's strategic weapons, missiles, drones, fighter jets etc. This will ensure the survival and fighting capabilities of the Pakistan military NO MATTER who we fight and how much we get bombed. Ideally, these underground facilities and complexes should be built under mountains.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

This thread is more about a possible location, i know such large structures will become vulnarable but we are just discussing a possible location for a new command and control center, as pindi become very populated.

Best location would be under the mountains in Balochistan but we must first take out all the terrorists there.

 

[Goenitz]

don't waste money on infrastructure like PMLN. Instead, consider purchasing offensive weapons such as rocket artillery or a long-range FPV system.
Even if it is necessary, it should be like Iran's underground structure and decentralised command system.

 

[Starlord]

Well i always thought Pakistani's very dumb, but now i am starting to believe even UK Pakistani's are stupid. Literally mention in the OP that its a hyothetical scenario where money is no issue, just discuss the possible location of such C&C center, and location can be geopraphically benefit such a Center.

 

[Starlord]

Best location would be under the mountains in Balochistan but we must first take out all the terrorists there.

Baluchistan is definitely best, give the mountains and valley's offer natural protection and chokepoints, but situation there is no fessible. But as this is a hypothetical scenario, which city or area in Baluchistan you think offer the best value? for such a large infrastructure, we need a flat land, which surrounded by mountains to set up radar and AD systems.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Baluchistan is definitely best, give the mountains and valley's offer natural protection and chokepoints, but situation there is no fessible. But as this is a hypothetical scenario, which city or area in Baluchistan you think offer the best value? for such a large infrastructure, we need a flat land, which surrounded by mountains to set up radar and AD systems.

How will you handle the massive insurgency going on there right now? Clearly the army is grossly incompetent and can’t control the violence there. As of right now it’s occupied lands because that’s how intense the fighting there is, and you want to build a Command post there? Though I do agree the mountains there would provide a lot of cover. The Egyptians are fools just like the Turks to build grandiose buildings when modern warfare has shown that mosiac defense and de-centralized command matters. This is something the low iq inbred leadership of Pakistan army doesn’t understand.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Baluchistan is definitely best, give the mountains and valley's offer natural protection and chokepoints, but situation there is no fessible. But as this is a hypothetical scenario, which city or area in Baluchistan you think offer the best value? for such a large infrastructure, we need a flat land, which surrounded by mountains to set up radar and AD systems.

Perhaps Dera Murad Jumali or Khuzdar. Parts of Balochistan that are mountainous but close to Sind and Punjab. Likely to have a lower concentration of terrorists there too.

 

[Starlord]

Perhaps Dera Murad Jumali or Khuzdar. Parts of Balochistan that are mountainous but close to Sind and Punjab. Likely to have a lower concentration of terrorists there too.

didn't khuzdar seens some T's attack in recent times?

i think this region looks good as its close to our strike cores as well, and some major air bases. I don't know the Geography and ethnic buildup of this area, is it flat land or more mountainy ?

 

[maxpane]

in past there was a news or a rumour that Pakistan army wants to shift ghq in islamabad following same structure of pentagon. i dnt know its still in plan or they just scrapped it.
For me personally they have to build real commad and control in mountain area like balochistan or kpk with secure tunnels . Now huge buildings are just an easy target and waste of money . spend money under the mountains to secure an link together . am a civilian ofcourse i dnt have technical knowledge and know how about army need. Feel free to correct me am ready to learn from you members .

 

[PakistanLVR]

@Starlord this is a good thread. The Indians recently put news out there that they will target Pakistans military leadership during next war. They are literally trying to take a page out the Israeli playbook.

 

[Starlord]

in past there was a news or a rumour that Pakistan army wants to shift ghq in islamabad following same structure of pentagon. i dnt know its still in plan or they just scrapped it.
For me personally they have to build real commad and control in mountain area like balochistan or kpk with secure tunnels . Now huge buildings are just an easy target and waste of money . spend money under the mountains to secure an link together . am a civilian ofcourse i dnt have technical knowledge and know how about army need. Feel free to correct me am ready to learn from you members .

The large C&C structures are not completely useless, Turks/Egypt/China are not fools as much as the warefar changes, there is a need for combined C&C structures. And no one say countries are building these shinny building without complex tunnel system running underneath. Thinking that these large building are just some apartments which doesn't have military grade tunnels and bunkers and drone/missile facilities.

 

[Ali_Baba]

So everyone noticed that few countries have invested heavily on massive command and control infrastructure for their militaries, mainly Egypt and Turkiye's example comes to mind.
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This command centre is by the most stupid, retarded backward thinking that could have done into creating new command and control centres. Literally would take a few minutes, and several dozen precise ALBM's to take this place out in one go.

with the advent of modern technology, secure technology links, they can be kept apart and integrated at the same time.

What is god's name were they thinking or not ?

Iran has shown how C&C should be built, i.e. underground in granite mountains. Not all joined up like this ...

I am amazed by the level of stupidity the Egyptian Armed forces have shown by literally putting all their important eggs in "one basket"..

Pakistan has been blessed with similar terrain as Iran, and hopefully Pakistan is looking more closely on adopting a similar approach for its critical C&C's now.