Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BHAN85]

US allies are the western world and Israel. Rest are not "allies" even though that's what they call it. Those so called allies don't "host" US bases. US bases are forced on them. They don't have a choice but to accept it. Do you think Qatar can ask US to leave? Its next to impossible.

If you are a ruler of a tiny oil rich nation, saying no to US Hegemony means ending your rule Or bringing chaos to your country. The bases in those countries were never meant to protect these countries from onset. Those bases were meant to protect US interests and US hegemony. The primary objective of those bases is US interests. One of the main US interest is making money from oil rich region. US presence means US can extort these countries like anything which it does. These countries export oil, make money, US then extorts money by forcing these countries to invest billions in US or buy downgraded expensive weaponry from US manufacturers. US will lose this leverage if it leaves the bases.

Do you think Germany can ask USA to leave?, they are militarily occupied since WW2.

Anyway, times have changed. USA calls it "full spectrum dominance".

We dont know exactly how, but "allies" obey USA even in the most stupid self damaging ways.
Clearly visible in Europe with Ukraine war, and in Middle East with Iran war.

But judging vassals leaders behavior, it doesnt seem a hard blackmail, it seems more a sweet bribing, more carrot than stick in most of cases.

 

[Winthorpe]

US allies are the western world and Israel. Rest are not "allies" even though that's what they call it. Those so called allies don't "host" US bases. US bases are forced on them. They don't have a choice but to accept it. Do you think Qatar can ask US to leave? Its next to impossible.

If you are a ruler of a tiny oil rich nation, saying no to US Hegemony means ending your rule Or bringing chaos to your country. The bases in those countries were never meant to protect these countries from onset. Those bases were meant to protect US interests and US hegemony. The primary objective of those bases is US interests. One of the main US interest is making money from oil rich region. US presence means US can extort these countries like anything which it does. These countries export oil, make money, US then extorts money by forcing these countries to invest billions in US or buy downgraded expensive weaponry from US manufacturers. US will lose this leverage if it leaves the bases.

Standard colonial model

 

[Abdul q]

Is there possibility of a coup in moorica , ?

 

[Shags101]

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Awkward I’m guessing Israel didn’t care for something and these are the guys defending Israel with weapons confiscated from smugglers going Hezbollah well I guess when you don’t respond it gives Israel a free pass maybe they will “accidentally” harm Turkish troops I wonder if the Mecca agreement will come into effect

 

[Immortals]

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[Flotilla]

I disagree, but won’t bother arguing you with you. One last point, Iran can attack Navy ships, it doesn’t have the will power. Because a mass casualty event would prolong the war in its mind. Meanwhile US sunk nearly the entire Iranian navy in 48 hours, as I said they would if the conflict broke out. Many on here disagreed.

And those submarines? Useless and never used while many on here claimed they would be used to sink tankers and U.S. warships that got to close to Arabian Sea or in the PG.

Iran has botched this entire war management just like these same individuals botched the Iraqi war and caused hundreds of thousands of unnecessary casualties using antiquated tactics. The same generals that fought in that war as officers are now leading this war as generals.

Iran couldn’t even find two downed pilots in its own territory nor stop a U.S. rescue operation. Incompetence doesn’t even begin to describe this military performance. Air defense was abysmal and even HZ and Houthi’s performed better with less equipment.

You know? I think the United States is doing such a disastrous job that Iran doesn't need to go all-out to win the war.

If the Houthis can systematically strike and attack any naval targets they choose—and given that the presence of IRGC supervisors seems evident—it is clear that Iran is adopting a different strategy. Iran doesn't seem to need an open war to win.

And perhaps this is a pragmatic and fairer solution for its population and its neighbors. After all, it is clear that the United States intends to make the civilian population pay a heavy price by destroying civilian infrastructure.

 

[Flotilla]

US allies are the western world and Israel. Rest are not "allies" even though that's what they call it. Those so called allies don't "host" US bases. US bases are forced on them. They don't have a choice but to accept it. Do you think Qatar can ask US to leave? Its next to impossible.

If you are a ruler of a tiny oil rich nation, saying no to US Hegemony means ending your rule Or bringing chaos to your country. The bases in those countries were never meant to protect these countries from onset. Those bases were meant to protect US interests and US hegemony. The primary objective of those bases is US interests. One of the main US interest is making money from oil rich region. US presence means US can extort these countries like anything which it does. These countries export oil, make money, US then extorts money by forcing these countries to invest billions in US or buy downgraded expensive weaponry from US manufacturers. US will lose this leverage if it leaves the bases.

Unfortunately again you're right.
I wish to be different, but you described pretty well.

 

[Master Chief]

Hormuz value is important as long as other countries don't find alternates. The buyers of oil are finding substitutes already. The oil isn't climbing past 150. Its not even 100 ? The main sellers have found alternative paths to by pass strait. KSA and UAE. KSA is sending tons of oil from suez canal and still slipping tankers from Bab al mandal. UAE is exporting oil daily to entire of its customer base from Fujairah base despite some of the attacks on its ships.

So longer the Hormuz is shut, the more world will find workarounds it. Both the buyers and sellers.

Disagree.

Iran continues to play a clever game.

Hormuz is the cheapest and most efficient option, compared to low volume pipelines or alternative land transport.

Even if alternatives exist, if Iran selectively allows shipments through who pay to them and/or are their political friends, then USA will be in a perpetual bind. Of course USA and others can use alternative means, but they are more expensive and less efficient (and still vulnerable to attack).

Trump is desperate for control of the Hormuz. Iran needs to keep taking advantage, if it is able to. Still, am a bit concerned Trump is considering a drastic intervention.

 

[muhammed45]

Do you think Germany can ask USA to leave?, they are militarily occupied since WW2.

Anyway, times have changed. USA calls it "full spectrum dominance".

We dont know exactly how, but "allies" obey USA even in the most stupid self damaging ways.
Clearly visible in Europe with Ukraine war, and in Middle East with Iran war.

But judging vassals leaders behavior, it doesnt seem a hard blackmail, it seems more a sweet bribing, more carrot than stick in most of cases.

Germans were literally licking Trump's shoes before and during US war on Iran. In the hope of receiving pieces of stone from their uncle.

I'd like to see Germans' faces at this very moment. Raped in both WW series of wars and after WW ended, they still being raped by Americans.

At least Arabs are not that low, for their proximity to Iran mainland, they, at the very least have some geopolitical importance for Americans.

Germans are lower than the lowest. Ironically, they represent Europeans economically and socially/politically.

Currently, Germans are lower than the lowest and consequently Europeans are cheap nice sluts of USA.

 

[Professor Jiang]

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[Immortals]