Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[El Sidd]

A lot. It’s like asking how much role do democrats have in US policies.

The reformists have say in the system and it’s not as conservative dominated as people assume. Israel is far more right wing and ultra nationalist than Iran is believe it or not.

Iran is filled with these individuals who want nothing more than to be banana countries of the West like the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Jordan. They argue behind closed doors that resistance is futile and we just give up to America and they will accept us (delusional).



That’s not how Iran works. Iran is like a puzzle of factions. Each with its own power center and influence. When Khamenai was alive he played the factions off each other while making sure no one got more powerful than him, it was a delicate balancing act and it worked because he was only the 2nd Supreme Leader.

Right now there are power vacuums and some factions want to influence the outcome to enrich themselves and their faction at the expense of the nation (much like Trump is doing in his 2nd term with his cronies).

Iran going back 150+ years has had these treacherous reformist factions and pragmatist factions under different names and ideals but the ultimate goal is the same: surrender the country to the greater powers and be able to get Paid to be their lackey.

Thanks for the detailed answer.

Very insightful on the Iranian infighting.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[muhammed45]

I'll repeat.

Israel will not attack territorial Turkiye (including Northern Cyprus). That would attract the risk of destruction by Turkiye, who will ignore NATO when it comes to a matter of sovereignty of the Turkish state.

I'm surprised you interpret matters differently.

Conflict OUTSIDE of Turkish territory, e.g. attacks on foreign military bases, will result in a more normal and entirely predictable escalation dynamic. This method of "3rd party territory" engagement is entirely sustainable for Turkiye and probably also for Israel.

USA itself cannot unseat Turkiye from its foreign interests in myriad nations around the middle east and African theatres. What makes you think Turks in Turkiye proper have any fear?

Anyway, I shan't derail the thread further - apologies for digressing.

What a joke. Turkey is stronk only against the weak brown middle eastern Muslims. When it comes to their white masters, they will sell their honour in a blink of an eye in exchange for a couple of F-35s.

 

[KAL-EL]

A reminder on the thread title :

It was better to change the title with this :

'Iran's war with two bastards of British empire USA/Israel.'

@KAL-EL what say you?

Not sure why you specifically tagged me, but what say I? I think it's a bit on the anger side to change the title to that.

The title currently is just fine

 

[muhammed45]

Not sure why you specifically tagged me, but what say I? I think it's a bit on the anger side to change the title to that.

The title currently is just fine

There is no anger. This is some kind of tit for tat engagement.

I pointed to the very fact that Israel and USA have same root. Both are bastards of British colonizers. People usually wonder why this amount of support comes to Israel from the US. That maybe the real reason behind it.

Both are built on natives' blood. Except, USA has hidden its ugly face behind pages and chapters of history, thanks to social media Israel is on display.

British kingdom gave birth to many bastard nations. Israel and USA stand out amongst those bastards.

Why i tagged you, first of all you are a part of that bastard nation, secondly, i actually factually answered to the terrorist leading this bastard nation who insulted Iranians.

 

[KAL-EL]

There is no anger. This is some kind of tit for tat engagement.

I pointed to the very fact that Israel and USA have same root. Both are bastards of British colonizers. People usually wonder why this amount of support comes to Israel from the US. That maybe the real reason behind it.

Both are built on natives' blood. Except, USA has hidden its ugly face behind pages and chapters of history, thanks to social media Israel is on display.

British kingdom gave birth to many bastard nations. Israel and USA stand out amongst those bastards.

Why i tagged you, first of all you are a part of that bastard nation, secondly, i actually factually answered to the terrorist leading this bastard nation who insulted Iranians.

Well I can only speak for myself as I've never insulted Iranians here or anywhere for that matter.

And you hate the USA. That's fine, but name calling is a bit silly. Not going to engage debate with you if all you're going to do is name call.

And yes, I'm damned proud to be an American no matter what you say. Doesn't mean I agree with everything the American government does.

For example, I've been on record here against the war.. It was up to me, the war would have never started in the first place.

. That is all. Feel free to rant on or we can discuss things in a civilized manner. Not going to take part in any American guilt to satisfy you.

 

[Immortals]

Remember the associated costs of this oil.
Insurances and air and naval cover of USAF and US Navy respectively.
These costs are unsustainable.

It was a trash article:

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[Persian Gulf]

There is no anger. This is some kind of tit for tat engagement.

I pointed to the very fact that Israel and USA have same root. Both are bastards of British colonizers. People usually wonder why this amount of support comes to Israel from the US. That maybe the real reason behind it.

Both are built on natives' blood. Except, USA has hidden its ugly face behind pages and chapters of history, thanks to social media Israel is on display.

British kingdom gave birth to many bastard nations. Israel and USA stand out amongst those bastards.

Why i tagged you, first of all you are a part of that bastard nation, secondly, i actually factually answered to the terrorist leading this bastard nation who insulted Iranians.

bro please calm down

why are you attacking @KAL-EL randomly? he didn't do anything to antagonise us

 

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The list against them makes sense that includes Turkiye and Iran who has potential to cope with the zionist entity. But Why is Qatar added to these lists. It has a population of 3 million. Yes it has resources but it is very difficult to have an independent policy against gcc.

Unless ofcourse Qatars role was a theater role play scripted by usa-israel and its role is to make mock-theater fights against israel and behind the scenes do other things with the excessive wealth coming from the gas. It was a major supporter of m. brotherhood Syrian rebels for example in the last decade sometimes rivaling against saudi supported groups. But it seems all scripted to me. Mock fights to push some narrative to the population. Like the fake narrative of the last decade that Qatar was rivaling Saudi with mb affliated rebel groups against salafist groups in Syria for example which later on joined together.

 

[Immortals]

The list against them makes sense that includes Turkiye and Iran who has potential to cope with the zionist entity. But Why is Qatar added to these lists. It has a population of 3 million. Yes it has resources but it is very difficult to have an independent policy against gcc.

Unless ofcourse Qatars role was a theater role play scripted by usa-israel and its role is to make mock-theater fights against israel and behind the scenes do other things with the excessive wealth coming from the gas. It was a major supporter of m. brotherhood Syrian rebels for example in the last decade sometimes rivaling against saudi supported groups. But it seems all scripted to me. Mock fights to push some narrative to the population. Like the fake narrative of the last decade that Qatar was rivaling Saudi with mb affliated rebel groups against salafist groups in Syria for example which later on joined together.

Because Qatar has been home to Hamas’s political wing for years and is one of the PGCC countries closer to Iran and Turkey.

 

[Immortals]

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[Flotilla]

So, you're advocating attacks here in the US?

What do you define as "being at war"? I assure you there are plenty of us who have had the experience. Or, are you referring to that segment of the population glued to their smartphones frantically searching for what the Kardashians are up to while drinking their favorite soy-based latte'?

Let's be honest.
Miami It is the Kehlsteinhaus of all MAGA movement.