Qaraca
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Don’t mind the typo, he meant "had" as "zırtsakh" was sent to dustbin of history where it belongs.
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I invite Iran loving Pakistani members to explain this
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Ali_Baba
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The vast majority of people here( Pakistani origin ) do not know or understand the dynamics of historical events, or disagreements of Armenia/Iran/Azerbaijan that deeply, beyond Azerbaijan is an important ally for Pakistan, etc.
Qaraca
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Karabakh is internationally recognized as Azerbaijani territory by every country, not "disputed" but clear recognition. This was the case even when it was under occupation. Btw, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia refused to even recognize Armenia because of it , while Turkey closed its borders with Armenia.
Iran on the other hand became a lifeline for Armenia which were blockaded from two sides. So Iran clearly didn’t mind occupation of Azerbaijani territories, as even closing the Armenian border like Turkey would have made it alot harder for Armenian occupiers. Instead, Iran assisted Armenia with fuel etc.
But also it gets more tricky:
Armenia not only occupied the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous Oblast of Soviet Azerbaijan (75% Armenian and 25% Azerbaijani), but also 7 adjacent districts outside of NKAO, which were more than twice the size of NKAO itself and had zero Armenian population, but home to 500 thousand Azerbaijanis (entire Armenian population of NKAO was 150 thousand, while Azerbaijanis numbered 45 thousands).
The boundaries of NKAO did not reach Iranian border, so this sign was placed on a Azerbaijani district from which Azerbaijanis were ethnically cleansed from. Iran saw no problem with this.
Pink is former NKAO, red is Azerbaijani districts outside of it that were occupied (yellow is part of districts that remained under Azerbaijani control after the first war in 90s).
This is for example how Chaitumas village of Qubadli was occupied:
Check where it is located in relation to Iran border.
Çaytumas - Wikipedia
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Qaraca
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From few days ago:
Fyi, "Artsakh" is an example of revisionism "revived" under the Armenian irredentist "Miatsum" movement, and the region has been called Qarabagh (which means either Great or Black Garden in Azerbaijani, looking at other examples of the word "Qara" in toponyms it’s more likely to be "Great Garden", as there is also a Qaradagh region, "Great Mountain" in Iranian Azerbaijan to south of Karabakh across Araz river, and many other places in Azerbaijan Republic itself. Or how "Qara Xan" literally means "Great Khan") since 13th century.
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Obviously no diplomat of any kind uses this word for Karabakh, not even Armenian officials now as it would imply a land claim against Azerbaijan, but it’s especially shocking that a Persian diplomat uses it for no other reason than ethno-fascism, as Islamic and Iranian sources only mention "Qarabagh" since 13th century (btw, it was not called "Artsakh" before that either). Not to mention going against his own country’s declared policy regarding Karabakh and territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.
Fyi, "Artsakh" is an example of revisionism "revived" under the Armenian irredentist "Miatsum" movement, and the region has been called Qarabagh (which means either Great or Black Garden in Azerbaijani, looking at other examples of the word "Qara" in toponyms it’s more likely to be "Great Garden", as there is also a Qaradagh region, "Great Mountain" in Iranian Azerbaijan to south of Karabakh across Araz river, and many other places in Azerbaijan Republic itself. Or how "Qara Xan" literally means "Great Khan") since 13th century.
Miatsum - Wikipedia
Obviously no diplomat of any kind uses this word for Karabakh, not even Armenian officials now as it would imply a land claim against Azerbaijan, but it’s especially shocking that a Persian diplomat uses it for no other reason than ethno-fascism, as Islamic and Iranian sources only mention "Qarabagh" since 13th century (btw, it was not called "Artsakh" before that either). Not to mention going against his own country’s declared policy regarding Karabakh and territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.
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PakistanLVR
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As a “member” of that club, explain what exactly? Not sure if you know this about Azeris and Armenians - but Azeris are majority Shias but with deep ties to the inbreds on the Meds who are sponsoring wars against Muslims in the Middle East as well as spreading white Christian supremacy ideologies in the western world against their Muslim populations.
Armenians to their credit have been more vocal for the Sunni Palestinians than your average Pakistani Sunni, well any Sunni nation for that matter. The Armenians are closer to Pakistanis in language, culture, and genetics than the Turkic Azeris. The Armenians aren’t spending billions of dollars spreading anti-Muslim disinformation campaign across the world so yeah I don’t have a fkn beef with them.
I would rather choose an orthodox Christian over most Muslims any day of the week given how treacherous non-Shias have been to another one. Yall couldn’t even defend your own people in Indian occupied Kashmir and sold them out for normalization with India and now make these stupid threads here trying to gaslight us. News flash, get the inbreds Europeans out of Azerbaijan first and end the gas transfer that runs through Turkey into the entity before even daring asking us to take a stance on an obscure issue.
Armenians to their credit have been more vocal for the Sunni Palestinians than your average Pakistani Sunni, well any Sunni nation for that matter. The Armenians are closer to Pakistanis in language, culture, and genetics than the Turkic Azeris. The Armenians aren’t spending billions of dollars spreading anti-Muslim disinformation campaign across the world so yeah I don’t have a fkn beef with them.
I would rather choose an orthodox Christian over most Muslims any day of the week given how treacherous non-Shias have been to another one. Yall couldn’t even defend your own people in Indian occupied Kashmir and sold them out for normalization with India and now make these stupid threads here trying to gaslight us. News flash, get the inbreds Europeans out of Azerbaijan first and end the gas transfer that runs through Turkey into the entity before even daring asking us to take a stance on an obscure issue.
Watandar
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What's the big deal ? Everybody thinks their land and historical disputes are the most important thing in the world and supersede all other considerations.
Azerbaijan is just another oil rich Western/Zio aligned dictatorship like many others. Whole Muslim world is cursed and trapped by autocracy.
Azerbaijan is just another oil rich Western/Zio aligned dictatorship like many others. Whole Muslim world is cursed and trapped by autocracy.
Qaraca
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Armenians, to their credit, killed 16 thousand Azerbaijani civilians in First Karabakh war and also commited the worst single massacre of the entire war. You can have whatever opinion of Azerbaijani government, but are you justifying what they did against Azerbaijani civilians? Or are you justifying the occupation of Azerbaijani territories, and ethnic cleansing of 600 thousand Azerbaijanis? Shall I remind you that Pakistan and Saudi Arabia refused to recognize Armenia because of it, and only recognized Armenia after the conflict was resolved?
Khojaly massacre - Wikipedia
Or that Armenians looted every Azerbaijani settlement brick by brick turning it into this, which they sold in Iranian market?
This was not result of combat, but systematic looting.
Btw, even Hamas did not share your surface level bs.
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Anatolia
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PakistanLVR
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As far as I can see - not a single person who thinks like I do had said anything remotely anti Azeri or Pro Armenian of what you’re trying to paint: cough Shia Pakistanis cough members here.Armenians, to their credit, killed 16 thousand Azerbaijani civilians in First Karabakh war and also commited the worst single massacre of the entire war. You can have whatever opinion of Azerbaijani government, but are you justifying what they did against Azerbaijani civilians? Or are you justifying the occupation of Azerbaijani territories, and ethnic cleansing of 600 thousand Azerbaijanis?
Khojaly massacre - Wikipedia
Or that Armenians looted every Azerbaijani settlement brick by brick turning it into this, which they sold in Iranian market?
This was not result of combat, but systematic looting. Every Azerbaijani settlement under occupation shared this fate.
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Btw, even Hamas did not share your surface level bs.
I guess thanks? For successfully using low iq rage bait tactic?
PakistanLVR
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Okay? I’ll take your words more serious when you stopped destroying your neighbors and installing beheaders as heads of state in cahoots with non Muslims
mythbuster
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You are constantly maligning Sunnis , Knock it off dude... it's a rabbit hole where you have slim chances of survival.
Qaraca
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So you didn’t get the point of this thread?
What is few pictures supposed to show? You are the one doing low iq bait. Few people, maybe they are even Jews themselves. But this was also before the Gaza genocide (which has altered peeceptions), and people have very superfical perception of things just like you, they saw Azerbaijani army using Israeli made weapons so in their mind Israel was supporting Azerbaijan (when it’s really weapons purchased by Azerbaijan on arms market, not donated or given. Yet they don’t think the same about the Russian weapons Azerbaijan operated. Just a matter of perceptions because Russia was seen as patron of Armenia, and tbh it was until 2020). And Pakistan had only diplomatic support (of course that also counts for something), but this ties to another point:
Perceived thought of West, Russia and Iran supprting Armenia (read: perceived), so anyone who supported Azerbaijan was seen as exception to rest of the world, and thus the reaction with flags.
Not more than few people had Israeli flags anyway, can not be compared to how many Turkish flags there were alongside Azerbaijani flags.
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Anatolia
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Like you, our neighbours hate Turks.. and they suffer by non-Turks while blaming the Turks.
Not our problem man. lol
mythbuster
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What is this moronic blabber ? ....this dude is a Shia , what are you expecting from him and why are you lumping the entire country with this moron ?
Anatolia
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Did you just read what he had to say about us Turks?
No Turks would even say this about Pakistanis. And here you are targeting me.
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