Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Oscar]

There’s no evidence that many were killed . There is evidence that a total of 6-7 jets were shot down. A high casualty rate like that is difficult to cover up. Even with the jets there were leaks your naive to think they wouldn’t be similar leaks if 200+ KIAd. I wish 200 of those sons of bitches were killed but I doubt it.

Casualties - can be mistaken for KIA - to be clear - a person having their arm or leg blown off is a casualty and on the unsecured net the Indians were using easily reported/interpreted by mistake as KIA.

Technically, its "better" to have casualties for your enemy versus KIA. KIA is KIA.
Casualties need to be evacuated and resources tied down - Dead bodies can be piled into a corner and while demoralizing isnt a "drain" on resources.

However a field hospital overflowing with maimed individuals with their buddies and friends demoralized is better from a pure "out of the fight" perspective. You also want effectiveness of their triage and medical staff impacted by doing this.

 

[TheThirdFaculty]

Casualties - can be mistaken for KIA - to be clear - a person having their arm or leg blown off is a casualty and on the unsecured net the Indians were using easily reported/interpreted by mistake as KIA.

Technically, its "better" to have casualties for your enemy versus KIA. KIA is KIA.
Casualties need to be evacuated and resources tied down - Dead bodies can be piled into a corner and while demoralizing isnt a "drain" on resources.

However a field hospital overflowing with maimed individuals with their buddies and friends demoralized is better from a pure "out of the fight" perspective. You also want effectiveness of their triage and medical staff impacted by doing this.

Based on the info youve been given did the hospitals on the enemy side overflow with wounded ?

 

[TsAr]

Some respected and well read users here have the ability to make any thread here interesting... In the blink of an eye

Thukaaee buhat si jaga ki hui thi.... And not just by air force.... The predecessor to today's rocket command and present artillery divisions put their due weight once it was required.

Thukai tu huwi no doubt, but we were unable to present satellite images to the world which gave a chance to India for face saving

 

[TsAr]

Which is why the PAF"s claim in AFM that a Spice class weapon struck Nur Khan makes it more intriguing.

After all, the Spice 1000 (forget the 2000) needs you to be at least 100km at altitude and at altitude the Indians were dead meat to both HQ-9 and PAF CAPs.

One possibility is that they did launch the Spice at altitude - lets say at 20kft - that would require a two ship pulling out of the valleys at last minute - popping up for launch and bugging out quick as well.
But that still is intrusion into the border - and as far the "no aircraft" crossed each other's border - that has not been established and on the days of the conflict where a lot of us were in consternation - online to manage information leaks & trolling for nearly 6-12 hour shifts while speaking to both friends and family in country... It was clear that aircraft both manned and unmanned were now crossing borders.

Not crossing borders is an official stance, unofficially many things happen.

 

[Oscar]

Based on the info youve been given did the hospitals on the enemy side overflow with wounded ?

I dont know - I am giving you a desired outcome - not my opinion on the outcome.

 

[Falcon26]

So after killing 6,7,8 “rafaels” as pakistanis claim and 250 casualties as pakistanis claimed.

and after India scrapped IWT and building multiple projects and there is no terror attack perpetrated by pakistan backed terrorists in kashmir.

It seems a win win

pakistan won also
And India winning also

Highly doubtful 6-8 rafales were shot down. But the fact the Indian Air Force started this weird practice of scrapping serial numbers from its rafales establishes that at least more than one Rafale was shot down.

As for the 250, India is a nation of 1.5 billion and I don’t think the Hindu nationalists in power care about how many of their countrymen die. So it’s a moot point

 

[Hayabusa]

So after killing 6,7,8 “rafaels” as pakistanis claim and 250 casualties as pakistanis claimed.

and after India scrapped IWT and building multiple projects and there is no terror attack perpetrated by pakistan backed terrorists in kashmir.

It seems a win win

pakistan won also
And India winning also

You forgot something.

There was a terrorist attack at the Red Fort metro station in New Delhi, killing 13 to 15 people, few months after the conflict. Indians couldn't do the usual blaming of Pakistan. Why? Indians know it will start losing more planes again if it retaliates.

 

[White Privilege]

How did the US find out what PAFs plans for 10th May were?

It was posted earlier that this info was shared causing India to launch attacks on bases the night before.

It has to be more than just live satellite feed? If not what can be done to prevent this next time?

This is the biggest concern. It was certainly more than satellite feeds and if predictable patterns can be identified in our approach then it is just fatal. Pakistan was taking forever to plan the much anticipated 'retaliation' promised to the Indians when they had called first to call things off. Things like 'waiting for morning prayers' (latter talked about by the journalists) and journalists getting the named details about the operation right on time makes this questionable and riddled with predictability and possible OPSEC violations. It did appear that Pakistan was waiting for foreign players playing PSL to leave Pakistan and everyone could see those flights rush out, huge predictability and OPSEC violation. Also local air defenses suddenly came alive just before morning on 10th for no apparent reason, they did not appear to be shooting at anything but just waking up the populace for 'announcing the beginning of our offensive' and then the tickers started flashing about 'operation BuM' (along with Fatah launch videos) and pretty soon ceasefire news followed. I am sure that our airspace must have been officially closed or such a time period dead at night chosen to avoid civilian air traffic during these 'fireworks', again predictability and OPSEC violation. It all appeared to be some ISPR coordinated cringey storytelling from our side......

 

[White Privilege]

Highly doubtful 6-8 rafales were shot down. But the fact the Indian Air Force started this weird practice of scrapping serial numbers from its rafales establishes that at least more than one Rafale was shot down.

As for the 250, India is a nation of 1.5 billion and I don’t think the Hindu nationalists in power care about how many of their countrymen die. So it’s a moot point

Don't engage with this multiple id rat, as he will soon be banned as soon as mods wake up.

He is just regurgitating the Bollywood soap opera crap script copy pasted on their news channels every effing day....

About the casualties on Indian side, there is a constant stream of eyewitness accounts and family testimonies from Indian side of authorities telling them to shut their mouths about what they saw or endured.

 

[White Privilege]

well I am not even arguing with the claims pakistanis throw around like 6,7,8 rafaels and 250, I ask what is happening after that

Also 6 Indian brave hearts who sacrificed life for Mother India,their last rites were attended by as per highest military protocols after Op Sindoor so those casualties were always in public,
The news of those sacrifices came again in news cycle because those sacrifices were printed on Indian War Memorial in New Delhi.

But whats the result of Operation Sindoor, no terror attack by pakistan on Indian soil, as I explained what happened in Delhi was sleeper terrorists (Kashmiri Moslim Doctors) no pakistani being chased down and they either blew themselves or NIA blew themselves in a relatively secluded open parking area.

While IWT as of today 8 projects are being constructed 24X7 and we all see every other ISPR briefing they keep saying khtna or khitna ae Hindustan ne hye kar dia vo kar dia

See you down the sewer soon, u multiple id rat...