Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion

[Oscar]

There’s no evidence that many were killed . There is evidence that a total of 6-7 jets were shot down. A high casualty rate like that is difficult to cover up. Even with the jets there were leaks your naive to think they wouldn’t be similar leaks if 200+ KIAd. I wish 200 of those sons of bitches were killed but I doubt it.

Casualties - can be mistaken for KIA - to be clear - a person having their arm or leg blown off is a casualty and on the unsecured net the Indians were using easily reported/interpreted by mistake as KIA.

Technically, its "better" to have casualties for your enemy versus KIA. KIA is KIA.
Casualties need to be evacuated and resources tied down - Dead bodies can be piled into a corner and while demoralizing isnt a "drain" on resources.

However a field hospital overflowing with maimed individuals with their buddies and friends demoralized is better from a pure "out of the fight" perspective. You also want effectiveness of their triage and medical staff impacted by doing this.

 

[TheThirdFaculty]

Casualties - can be mistaken for KIA - to be clear - a person having their arm or leg blown off is a casualty and on the unsecured net the Indians were using easily reported/interpreted by mistake as KIA.

Technically, its "better" to have casualties for your enemy versus KIA. KIA is KIA.
Casualties need to be evacuated and resources tied down - Dead bodies can be piled into a corner and while demoralizing isnt a "drain" on resources.

However a field hospital overflowing with maimed individuals with their buddies and friends demoralized is better from a pure "out of the fight" perspective. You also want effectiveness of their triage and medical staff impacted by doing this.

Based on the info youve been given did the hospitals on the enemy side overflow with wounded ?

 

[TsAr]

Some respected and well read users here have the ability to make any thread here interesting... In the blink of an eye

Thukaaee buhat si jaga ki hui thi.... And not just by air force.... The predecessor to today's rocket command and present artillery divisions put their due weight once it was required.

Thukai tu huwi no doubt, but we were unable to present satellite images to the world which gave a chance to India for face saving

 

[TsAr]

Which is why the PAF"s claim in AFM that a Spice class weapon struck Nur Khan makes it more intriguing.

After all, the Spice 1000 (forget the 2000) needs you to be at least 100km at altitude and at altitude the Indians were dead meat to both HQ-9 and PAF CAPs.

One possibility is that they did launch the Spice at altitude - lets say at 20kft - that would require a two ship pulling out of the valleys at last minute - popping up for launch and bugging out quick as well.
But that still is intrusion into the border - and as far the "no aircraft" crossed each other's border - that has not been established and on the days of the conflict where a lot of us were in consternation - online to manage information leaks & trolling for nearly 6-12 hour shifts while speaking to both friends and family in country... It was clear that aircraft both manned and unmanned were now crossing borders.

Not crossing borders is an official stance, unofficially many things happen.