Be dazzled
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
Tell us and kill him.
Pakistan-India Conflict 2025: News Updates and Discussion
- Thread starter Ali_Baba
- Start date
KingQamaR
Elite Member
KingQamaR
Elite Member
I am talking about narrative building, demoralizing the enemy and it's population. You can do that by telling someone to go to Google maps. The picture of bholari hanger has become a face saving symbol for the IAF in India.
Are you serious mate...
Cipher212
Registered Member
I do not think they ever intended to hit the base of Kirana hills. There was nothing there. Must have been headed for the airbase.
May be a faulty missile or one of those 'soft kills'
AeronautIR
HemlockKhalid
Yes, SHORADS are mainly for cruise missile threat now, as fighter jets don't come over the targets for strike anymore. The other C-UAS systems are CIWS or VSHORADS, with main focus on anti-drone role alongside EW and non-kinetic countermeasures.
Starlord
Trusted Member
Exactly, I understand that PAF show restraint in 2019 and even change direction of their bombs (H-4's) at the last moment, but in Sindoor they bomb civilians and killed 40 of them including children, they bomb mosques and we should've gone full in with our retaliation, because now Indians are not afraid to attack Pakistan, they don't care how many soldiers they lose or air craft got hit, they can just lie to their lund bhakts. But for Pakitan we lose civilians, we now had our civilian population bombed by India, and now its only matter of another attack in India, we will back to war. I understand Pakistan is weak, small but there is a difference here that India is hostile to Pakistan, they want to destroy Pakistan and now we have given them everything they need to just bomb Pakistan anytime they seems fit.
Starlord
Trusted Member
Falgrine
Registered Member
So regarding the Bholari strike, I had opined about three distinct possibilities here:
After listening to this certain AM Kapoor here:
it seems that it was a case of an educated guess hitting its mark i.e. the first possibility I tried to hint on.
Earlier in the same podcast, the AM rightfully did not accept the claim for the much propagandized SAAB2000 kill by the S400. While it is true that the missile was launched at the 3 Sqn guys flying at the very edge of the S400 envelope, they detected the launch well in time and dived down to run. Could have been tricky if the corrective action was taken a bit later.
The point is that according to the Indian AM, they could gather data on and study the PAF AEWC patterns before and during the actual conflict, which lead to the targeting attempt on the particular a/c landing at Bholari.
This makes me intrigued about the following:
1. Its seemed that PAF decision makers took the Indian ceasefire acceptance on the face value. The SAAB2000 was flown into the Bholari while it sits so near (in relative terms) to the border. Given the fluid situation, why such a risky stand down was authorized at that time and location. PAF knew the Brahmos range so why 3 Sqn guys were diverted there.
2. You have redundancies in the infrastructure built to avoid this very scenario. Apparently there was only one hanger and once Indians had tracked the SAB2000 down to the Bholari AFB, they just had to wait for the plane to get inside it and then lob their Brahmoses. Had there been a few more such infrastructures (large hangers) or better, a few larger hardened/underground pens for HVAA, the risk of what happened could have been drastically curtailed.
3. Was the flight profile and EMCON discipline of the SAAB2000 crew really up to the mark. SAAB is a bigger a/c and on the active sensors it would have appeared quite easily. InAF Passive sensors could have picked the emissions from an even longer distance. Shouldn't the EriEye crew have flown low well before coming to land at Bholari and followed a complete electronic silence. Would it have still been detected. Do the Indians even have an OTH radar coverage.
After listening to this certain AM Kapoor here:
it seems that it was a case of an educated guess hitting its mark i.e. the first possibility I tried to hint on.
Earlier in the same podcast, the AM rightfully did not accept the claim for the much propagandized SAAB2000 kill by the S400. While it is true that the missile was launched at the 3 Sqn guys flying at the very edge of the S400 envelope, they detected the launch well in time and dived down to run. Could have been tricky if the corrective action was taken a bit later.
The point is that according to the Indian AM, they could gather data on and study the PAF AEWC patterns before and during the actual conflict, which lead to the targeting attempt on the particular a/c landing at Bholari.
This makes me intrigued about the following:
1. Its seemed that PAF decision makers took the Indian ceasefire acceptance on the face value. The SAAB2000 was flown into the Bholari while it sits so near (in relative terms) to the border. Given the fluid situation, why such a risky stand down was authorized at that time and location. PAF knew the Brahmos range so why 3 Sqn guys were diverted there.
2. You have redundancies in the infrastructure built to avoid this very scenario. Apparently there was only one hanger and once Indians had tracked the SAB2000 down to the Bholari AFB, they just had to wait for the plane to get inside it and then lob their Brahmoses. Had there been a few more such infrastructures (large hangers) or better, a few larger hardened/underground pens for HVAA, the risk of what happened could have been drastically curtailed.
3. Was the flight profile and EMCON discipline of the SAAB2000 crew really up to the mark. SAAB is a bigger a/c and on the active sensors it would have appeared quite easily. InAF Passive sensors could have picked the emissions from an even longer distance. Shouldn't the EriEye crew have flown low well before coming to land at Bholari and followed a complete electronic silence. Would it have still been detected. Do the Indians even have an OTH radar coverage.
Last edited:
Yasser76
Elite Member
So regarding the Bholari strike, I had opined about three distinct possibilities here:
After listening to this certain AM Kapoor here:
it seems it was the case of an educated guess hitting its mark i.e. the first possibility I tried to hint on.
Earlier in the same podcast, the AM rightfully did not take claim the much propagandized SAAB2000 kill by the S400. While it is true that the missile was launched by the 3 Sqn guys flying on the very edge of the S400 envelope detected the launch well in time and dived down to run. Could have been tricky if the corrective action was taken a bit later.
The point is that according to the Indian AM, they could gather data on and study the PAF AEWC a/c and it was not much left to the guess work after they saw that particular a/c landing at Bholari.
This makes me intrigued about the following:
1. Its seemed that PAF decision makers took the Indian ceasefire acceptance on the face value. The SAAB2000 was flown into the Bholari while it sits so near (in relative terms) to the border. Given the fluid situation, why such a risky stand down was authorized at that time and location. PAF knew the Brahmos range so why 3 Sqn guys were diverted there.
2. You have redundancies in the infrastructure to avoid this very scenario. Apparently there was only one hanger and once Indians had tracked the SAB2000 down to the Bholari, they just had to wait for the plane to get inside there and then lob their Brahmos. Had there been a few more such infrastructures (large hangers) or hardened/underground pens for HVAA, the risk of what happened would have been drastically curtailed.
3. Was the flight profile and EMCON discpline of the SAAB2000 crew really up to the mark. SAAB is a bigger a/c and on the active sensors it would have appeared quite easily. InAF Passive sensors could have picked the emissions from an even longer distance. Shouldn't the EriEye crew have flown fly low well before coming to land at Bholari and followed complete electronic silence. Would it have still been detected. Do the Indians have OTH radar coverage.
Why are we disseninating Indian propaganda that has been debaunked over a year ago?
Yasser76
Elite Member
I dont think you do mate, posting Indian wet dreams, "Some Indian AF guy claimed in a podcast" is a low bar, a Youtube channel hosted by two of the biggest exponants of Indian military propaganda.
Yeah, you do you....
Yasser76
Elite Member
Never say I knew it all, just unsure why you are taking the word of Indian bullshit artists as gospel....
Oscar
Moderator
So regarding the Bholari strike, I had opined about three distinct possibilities here:
After listening to this certain AM Kapoor here:
it seems that it was a case of an educated guess hitting its mark i.e. the first possibility I tried to hint on.
Earlier in the same podcast, the AM rightfully did not accept the claim for the much propagandized SAAB2000 kill by the S400. While it is true that the missile was launched at the 3 Sqn guys flying at the very edge of the S400 envelope, they detected the launch well in time and dived down to run. Could have been tricky if the corrective action was taken a bit later.
The point is that according to the Indian AM, they could gather data on and study the PAF AEWC patterns before and during the actual conflict, which lead to the targeting attempt on the particular a/c landing at Bholari.
This makes me intrigued about the following:
1. Its seemed that PAF decision makers took the Indian ceasefire acceptance on the face value. The SAAB2000 was flown into the Bholari while it sits so near (in relative terms) to the border. Given the fluid situation, why such a risky stand down was authorized at that time and location. PAF knew the Brahmos range so why 3 Sqn guys were diverted there.
2. You have redundancies in the infrastructure built to avoid this very scenario. Apparently there was only one hanger and once Indians had tracked the SAB2000 down to the Bholari AFB, they just had to wait for the plane to get inside it and then lob their Brahmoses. Had there been a few more such infrastructures (large hangers) or better, a few larger hardened/underground pens for HVAA, the risk of what happened could have been drastically curtailed.
3. Was the flight profile and EMCON discipline of the SAAB2000 crew really up to the mark. SAAB is a bigger a/c and on the active sensors it would have appeared quite easily. InAF Passive sensors could have picked the emissions from an even longer distance. Shouldn't the EriEye crew have flown low well before coming to land at Bholari and followed a complete electronic silence. Would it have still been detected. Do the Indians even have an OTH radar coverage.
1. It was taken at face value because Pakistan had called off its next vectors for employment precisely because Indians agreed to. So this was them being dishonorable but since that call off was coordinated by your friends and allies - you chose the “higher”(read fait accompli) ground and not retaliate to this.
2. Yes, but the hangar was in use and Saab dispersed on and off - reportedly someone missed the memo that said to move the Saab away from there just in case. Pretty sure heads have rolled - just not publicly.
3. All procedures are follow but since you stated pattern tracking the Indians made a good educated guess there - and tie it to my answer in 2.
The AM is exaggerating what happened regarding dive down to run. The Indians launched a LOT of S-400s well outside their engagement envelope against other PAF assets that defended against it. The Saab did do various maneuvers along its race track to adjust against multiple threats while still maintaining coverage but no “dive down” etc that I have heard of.
What is likely is that they got beam on momentarily and fired while other assets were also trying to find gaps to push against targets - then fired against PAF aircraft and in true Indian fashion claimed a fire as a kill.
Considering these are the people who have the tail of a Mig-21FL painted as a Pakistani aircraft standing as gate guard for their base - I would not make much of the IAF officer claims.
Falgrine
Registered Member
Seems that the captain/ lead pilot of that a/c had even asked permission to take off again (or perhaps to move to another location at Bholari to avoid this very scenario) but it was denied stating that the cease fire had come into effect. God damn those slimy Hindu bastards.
Users who are viewing this thread
Pakistan Defence Latest
Country Watch Latest
-
-
-
-
Bangladesh Keen To Join Saudi-Pak-Turkey Defence Alliance, Says PM's Top Aide (4 Viewers)- Latest: Avicenna
