Bangladesh Keen To Join Saudi-Pak-Turkey Defence Alliance, Says PM's Top Aide

[Anatolia]

I have already cleared this part up about Turkey being a part of NATO up in my previous post.

" You can not be a member of two competing defense pacts and then hold members of your first defense pact hostage to wars of your allies, of your new defense pact.

Btw Nato Article 5 only comes into effect when a member nation is attacked.

If Turkey send its armed forces fight to against India, to fight along with Pakistan, then it is Turkey which is attacking India first and no Nato member will intervene, when India responds."

Essentially what you are trying to say up there is since Turkey is a part of NATO, now Turkey has entered into defense pact with Pakistan, hence Pakistan has become a member of NATO.

And any attack on Pakistan will be responded by NATO..which is an idiotic assumption.

You’re severely mistaken. Türkiye isn’t some “extra number” in NATO — it’s one of the alliance’s core military pillars. We’re the 2nd‑largest army, we control the Straits, we host critical NATO infrastructure, and we’re one of the few members that can actually fight and win real wars. When NATO talks about southern flank security, Black Sea access, Middle East stability, or missile defense, Türkiye is always at the centre of the conversation.

So let’s stop pretending Türkiye is some powerless spectator. If Türkiye joins a Mecca Pact and decides to pressure India, India’s nuclear threats don’t magically become “free hits.” The moment India uses nukes on a NATO member, it becomes a direct confrontation with the entire alliance. NATO isn’t going to sit there and let a non‑aligned state nuke one of its most important members. That’s not how collective security works, and every serious analyst knows it.

And this idea that India is some untouchable giant is fantasy. India has no mutual‑defense allies, no Article‑5 style guarantees, no bloc that would protect it.India has no allies or friends anywhere in the world. Not even Greece wants anything to do with you.

Türkiye is a nation with real allies, real partnerships, real strategic weight. India is a nation with mostly transactional relationships and a long list of diplomatic frictions. You’re acting like India is some global favourite when in reality it’s a country that struggles to maintain stable relations with Pakistan, China, Canada, the EU, and even its own neighbours.

So no — NATO isn’t going to let “little India” launch nukes at one of its key members. And no — Türkiye doesn’t need anyone’s permission to act in its own strategic interest.

 

[Jaeger]

You’re severely mistaken. Türkiye isn’t some “extra number” in NATO — it’s one of the alliance’s core military pillars. We’re the 2nd‑largest army, we control the Straits, we host critical NATO infrastructure, and we’re one of the few members that can actually fight and win real wars. When NATO talks about southern flank security, Black Sea access, Middle East stability, or missile defense, Türkiye is always at the centre of the conversation.

So let’s stop pretending Türkiye is some powerless spectator. If Türkiye joins a Mecca Pact and decides to pressure India, India’s nuclear threats don’t magically become “free hits.” The moment India uses nukes on a NATO member, it becomes a direct confrontation with the entire alliance. NATO isn’t going to sit there and let a non‑aligned state nuke one of its most important members. That’s not how collective security works, and every serious analyst knows it.

And this idea that India is some untouchable giant is fantasy. India has no mutual‑defense allies, no Article‑5 style guarantees, no bloc that would protect it.India has no allies or friends anywhere in the world. Not even Greece wants anything to do with you.

Türkiye is a nation with real allies, real partnerships, real strategic weight. India is a nation with mostly transactional relationships and a long list of diplomatic frictions. You’re acting like India is some global favourite when in reality it’s a country that struggles to maintain stable relations with Pakistan, China, Canada, the EU, and even its own neighbours.

So no — NATO isn’t going to let “little India” launch nukes at one of its key members. And no — Türkiye doesn’t need anyone’s permission to act in its own strategic interest.

Sure..If Turkey attacks India..Nato will defend you against Indian nukes..if the war were to go nuclear and that is even if they could defend you against SSBNs and MIRVed ICBMs.

Even though NATO article 5 clearly states that a member nation has to be attacked first for article 5 to come into affect.

Just like how entire NATO is currently fighting Iran after US lanched a war against it.?

But sure Turkey is more important member of NATO than US itself.

That's some heavy odds stacked against you, if I were a betting man, I wouldn't bet the existence of my nation like that.

But who knows ..Turkish lives mean very little to kids like you.

Bur tell you what ..Why don't you come and test your little theory and deploy your armed forces in Pakistan for a start and see who in Nato supports your stance.

That will give your a litmus test of weather you should be betting the existence of your country so cavalierly.

 

[Ravenman]

Turkey has 47 B-61 nuclear bombs.

So there a 2 nations with nukes in the Meccah Pact.

 

[AbuShalehRumi]

Even though NATO article 5 clearly states that a member nation has to be attacked first for article 5 to come into affect.

Does supplying arms, ammos and so called technical assistance violets that clause? Looking at Russian invasion of Ukraine I think that will not be the case.
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A well "Turkish MIC" supplied Pakistan Military is more than adequate for isreali trained indian military.

 

[Jaeger]

Turkey has 47 B-61 nuclear bombs.

So there a 2 nations with nukes in the Meccah Pact.

Sure.. And it is Erdogan who has the nuclear launch codes and Turkish armed forces which controls the nukes and not the 2000 American military personnel who are deployed in Turkey.

By that logic countries like Greenland, Iceland and Morocco should also be nuclear armed nations as they once hosted American nukes on their soil.

 

[Jaeger]

Does supplying arms, ammos and so called technical assistance violets that clause? Looking at Russian invasion of Ukraine I think that will not be the case.
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A well "Turkish MIC" supplied Pakistan Military is more than adequate for isreali trained indian military.

"Selling arms" to Pakistan was never an issue even before this pact.

But where is the mutual defense in that?

 

[Afif]

Sure..If Turkey attacks India..

But it won't be the case. India attacked Pakistan last year, not the other way around. And if India were to launch another attack when let's say, some Turkish troops and hardware are stationed in Pakistan, technically India would be the aggressor. While it might not be an aggression on NATO territory technically (to immediately trigger article 5) nevertheless it would still be viewed as aggression by rest of the world.

Also, you might be forgetting another thing, in case of nuclear exchange, Turkey wouldn't be launching nukes, it would be Pakistan. Still, if India is nuking Turkey by the guilt of association, you can be rest assured by that time Pagans would already be at the gate of hell. Pakistani nukes would make sure of that. Wouldn't it?

 

[I*R*A]

What does Bangladesh bring to the table?

After hindutva influence is curtailed, they can provide location for bases, manpower to remove spying hindutva from GCC. Intelligence sharing, after all fanatics of motherland did lay a claim on Kabbah itself. In the process upgrade themselves.

However, I would not want this to become another OIC. There should be some wait, a VETO type council / body (founding members only) with final say.

Leave Bangladesh out and it may become a vassal state of hindutva again.

 

[retaxis]

If 30mil Ukrainians with military support can hold off a superpower

I am sure a few hundred million Pakistanis with same military support would crush much weaker India. Turkey and Saudi planes can just defend Pakistani air space in defensive roles.

 

[AbuShalehRumi]

"Selling arms" to Pakistan was never an issue even before this pact.

Financing and compatibility was.

But where is the mutual defense in that?

We will find out when india attacks Pakistan...

 

[Jaeger]

But it won't be the case. India attacked Pakistan last year, not the other way around. And if India were to launch another attack when let's say, some Turkish troops and hardware are stationed in Pakistan, technically India would be the aggressor. While it might not be an aggression on NATO territory technically (to immediately trigger article 5) nevertheless it would still be viewed as aggression by rest of the world.

Also, you might be forgetting another thing, in case of nuclear exchange, Turkey wouldn't be launching nukes, it would be Pakistan. Still, if India is nuking Turkey by the guilt of association, you can be rest assured by that time Pagans would already be at the gate of hell. Pakistani nukes would make sure of that. Wouldn't it?

India attacked the terrorist camps in Pakistan last year.

Will these supposed Turkish troops be deploying in your so called madarssahs ?

If Turkey chooses to deploy outside Turkey in a Non nato sanctioned war.

Then what happen to those troops are Turkey's responsibility or NATO's?

Yes the assumption is that, it is Pakistan that launches its nuclear weapons first as is Pakistan's nuclear doctrine.

And as Pakistanis like to claim that India - Pakistan nuclear exchange is a MAD scenario..to which I don't agree. But even if it were, why wouldn't India nuke Turkey also, what has India got to loose at that point.

Now the question is would Turkey like to get destroyed along with Pakistan in war that is not theirs ?

 

[Jaeger]

Financing and compatibility was.

We will find out when india attacks Pakistan...

Are you telling me that Turkey will be paying for Pakistan's defence imports and military modernisation after signing of this pact ?

 

[I*R*A]

Sure..If Turkey attacks India..Nato will defend you against Indian nukes..if the war were to go nuclear and that is even if they could defend you against SSBNs and MIRVed ICBMs.

Even though NATO article 5 clearly states that a member nation has to be attacked first for article 5 to come into affect.

Just like how entire NATO is currently fighting Iran after US lanched a war against it.?

But sure Turkey is more important member of NATO than US itself.

That's some heavy odds stacked against you, if I were a betting man, I wouldn't bet the existence of my nation like that.

But who knows ..Turkish lives mean very little to kids like you.

Bur tell you what ..Why don't you come and test your little theory and deploy your armed forces in Pakistan for a start and see who in Nato supports your stance.

That will give your a litmus test of weather you should be betting the existence of your country so cavalierly.

Nuke any Muslim country and see how we will make a barbecue of 1 billion plus hindutva fanatics, pact or no pact. You are not that important nor that powerful to attack Turkiye all the while Pakistan is your neighbour. The wise decision on part of hindutva nation would be to stop dreaming of fighting and wiping out Islam, you do not have to be part of any Armageddon. Do not be obedient puppies of a Zionist state and throw your lives away.

 

[retaxis]

If Modi had balls he would do an actual war like Putin to prove he is tough guy. Instead Modi just talks talks and talks about being in club superpower this and club superpower that yet can not fix even simple things like pollution or poisonous water.

 

[AbuShalehRumi]

Are you telling me that Turkey will be paying for Pakistan's defence imports and military modernisation after signing of this pact ?

Saudia will do that...