Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

BHAN85 said:
Sanctions will be a blessing, if this become more than words:

www.presstv.co.uk

Key to solving economic issues lies in domestic production, phasing out dollar: Leader

Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Mojataba Khamenei hailed the administration of President Masoud Pezeshkian for handling the people’s needs amid the US-Israeli aggression and blockade, urging increased domestic production and eliminating the US dollar from transactions.
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Resistance economy sounds good on paper doesn’t work in practice. To get to a resistance economy you need major ToT and access to international investors to build up your capability to reach the point of self funded self sufficiency.

In order for Iran to get international investors it needs either to:

A) Recognize Israel and enter in a non aggression pact

B) have the U.S. empire collapse and replaced by a superpower that is friendly and interested in investing in Iran to be a strong independent nation
 
Immortals said:
Resistance economy sounds good on paper doesn’t work in practice. To get to a resistance economy you need major ToT and access to international investors to build up your capability to reach the point of self funded self sufficiency.

In order for Iran to get international investors it needs either to:

A) Recognize Israel and enter in a non aggression pact

B) have the U.S. empire collapse and replaced by a superpower that is friendly and interested in investing in Iran to be a strong independent nation
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You talk like if only Westerner investors exist.

Chinese companies dont give a fck about Israel. And they already exist, without replace USA empire, and they already sell cheaper industrial machine than the West (one of the reasons because Germany is collapsing last years).

Buy foreign made crap is easy, you see a video of a grocery store in Iran and you see full of Western brands, what the hell? Simple products that any country could manufacture, but it's easier to buy foreign made.
 
Immortals said:
You realize there are mountain ranges on the other side as well blocking their view? And Iranian long range drones are likely not able to do proper surveillance since they lack an anti-jammable satellite communications link. Look at Ukraine with Starlink how it is able to get live drone feeds deep into Russia. Iran doesn’t have that capability. People assume China gave Iran that capability and it’s wrong.

And what’s your point? They noticed? That’s even worse, means they got no guts to attack the dredging ships. I didn’t say the news was true, some are already disputing it.



Either way Looks like Israel killed off some of the aggressive IRGC commanders earlier on

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Most of these tweets is all just fake news.

Its just entertainment.
 
Immortals said:
Resistance economy sounds good on paper doesn’t work in practice. To get to a resistance economy you need major ToT and access to international investors to build up your capability to reach the point of self funded self sufficiency.

In order for Iran to get international investors it needs either to:

A) Recognize Israel and enter in a non aggression pact

B) have the U.S. empire collapse and replaced by a superpower that is friendly and interested in investing in Iran to be a strong independent nation
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Sure, China doesn't want to replicate the US model of ruling the world.

China is always not against a strong independent Iran to serve a balance in the Middle East/West Asia region.
 
BHAN85 said:
You talk like if only Westerner investors exist.

Chinese companies dont give a fck about Israel. And they already exist, without replace USA empire, and they already sell cheaper industrial machine than the West (one of the reasons because Germany is collapsing last years).

Buy foreign made crap is easy, you see a video of a grocery store in Iran and you see full of Western brands, what the hell? Simple products that any country could manufacture, but it's easier to buy foreign made.
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The problem is that the US only knows to use AI for the LLM, but not really into the manufacturing hub like China is doing right now.

And China is using its AI empowered manufacturing base to compete with the western nations, and the gap will surely continue to get widened.

China surely wants to the become the rules writer of the AI era manufacturing, but it also doesn't want to be alone on the boat, and hope other nations can get on the board as well.
 
Looks like ordinary Iranians aren't the only ones suffering under this clown show regime. Just a reminder, why did we involve the nice people of Lebanon into this mess? Why do we always have to use others to fight our battles? Thousands of Lebanese have died because of our cowardice!
 
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ChineseTiger1986 said:
The problem is that the US only knows to use AI for the LLM, but not really into the manufacturing hub like China is doing right now.

And China is using its AI empowered manufacturing base to compete with the western nations, and the gap will surely continue to get widened.

China surely wants to the become the rules writer of the AI era manufacturing, but it also doesn't want to be alone on the boat, and hope other nations can get on the board as well.
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I dont know if you have misquoted me for another post.

I didn't talk about AI.

I talked about real things, consumer products, that are needed in daily life, starting by grocery store.

Iran grocery stores are full of Western brands, it's more easy for them buy abroad than local manufacturing.



Basic items Iranian people buy everyday are first thing it should be local made.

You dont need AI to manufacture a tomato sauce, neither for the industrial machine needed to manufacture it.

And China sells that food industrial machine cheaper than the west since years ago.


If they start to manufacture all the things they could do by themselves instead buy abroad, it would be wonderful.
 
BHAN85 said:
I dont know if you have misquoted me for another post.

I didn't talk about AI.

I talked about real things, consumer products, that are needed in daily life, starting by grocery store.

Iran grocery stores are full of Western brands, it's more easy for them buy abroad than local manufacturing.



Basic items Iranian people buy everyday are first thing it should be local made.

You dont need AI to manufacture a tomato sauce, neither for the industrial machine needed to manufacture it.

And China sells that food industrial machine cheaper than the west since years ago.


If they start to manufacture all the things they could do by themselves instead buy abroad, it would be wonderful.
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Yep, daily commodities are more essential for people's living than the high tech.

China can convert its mass reserve of coal into fertilizer and transportation fuel, that's why the congestion on the Strait of Hormuz didn't shut down China's economy as the US initially expected.

It is just an act of emergency that most Chinese leaders have in store for contingency.
 
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BHAN85 said:
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As Ali-Baba also posted in a video It is a proof that there is no Carrier Strike Group on far East. A LHA it is not a carrier and cannot fullfill any of the task a CVN with mixed carrier wings can do.

That is a complete and clear retreat from South China Sea scenario.

If China helps with re-stocking Iranian arsenals in few months any major Battle in Persian Gulf could mean the end of the US Navy presence in South China Sea and invaluable opportunity to China to surrender the rogue island.
 
Flotilla said:
As Ali-Baba also posted in a video It is a proof that there is no Carrier Strike Group on far East. A LHA it is not a carrier and cannot fullfill any of the task a CVN with mixed carrier wings can do.

That is a complete and clear retreat from South China Sea scenario.

If China helps with re-stocking Iranian arsenals in few months any major Battle in Persian Gulf could mean the end of the US Navy presence in South China Sea and invaluable opportunity to China to surrender the rogue island.
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The key thing is, can Iran hit and damage an A/C and actually take an A/C off the strategic chessboard. Chinese would love that to happen, as it reduces the USA freedom of movement/action/control.
 
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BHAN85 said:
You talk like if only Westerner investors exist.

Chinese companies dont give a fck about Israel. And they already exist, without replace USA empire, and they already sell cheaper industrial machine than the West (one of the reasons because Germany is collapsing last years).
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China’s entire growth model was made possible because it became a servant of Western capitalism for decades. During that time trillions of dollars flowed from western economies to establish China’s industrial base and THEN naturally ToT flowed as well. This allowed the Chinese economy to explode.

From that economic renaissance that China underwent it allowed them to build their self sufficient economy. Its military for decades was Soviet/Russia supplied and relied on reverse engineering Soviet designs until reaching the point of self sufficiency. Iran has always struggled since the revolution to be able to buy big ticket weapon systems from Russia or China due to sanctions and threats. Forget military ToT since that has never been offered to Iran from either country. So iran’s military has struggled to modernize given these struggles and many of its leaps have happened from captured Israeli and U.S. military equipment.

Do you really think China that was in dire poverty in 1960 could get to where it is today based on just slogans and propaganda? Without Western $$$$$$? Of course not

Anyway historically Chinese investments in Iran (see oil and gas industry) have never materialized and often led to Chinese companies being kicked out of Iran for not properly starting the project due to sanctions. Some small scale projects have been completed by Chinese entrepreneurs but not anything that would be game changing.

Iran needs access to DEEP capital markets. Iran’s energy industries alone need $500B+ worth of investment to build, repair, renovate, etc. Let alone other sectors.

ChineseTiger1986 said:
China is always not against a strong independent Iran to serve a balance in the Middle East/West Asia region.
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History says otherwise. Many large investment projects by China in Iran went no where due to threat of sanctions. Yes, flow of Chinese finished goods happens (for example Chinese cars) but in terms of the type of trade flow and capital markets and access to industrial technology that would build Iran into a regional economic power, the Chinese have been just as fruitless as the promises from Russian or European companies.
 
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