US Supplied F-16 Fighters in Pakistan Were Too Obsolete to Fight India in 2025

LOL hell no. J10Cs were backed up by F16s and thunders during May 25 air battle. PAF packages consisted of 72 jets including more then dozen F16s.

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  • The major aerial engagement happened on the night of May 6–7, 2025.
  • Total Aircraft: More than 100 to 125 total warplanes from both nations were in the air at the same time.
  • Indian Force: India launched Operation Sindoor with about 72 aircraft.
  • Pakistani Force: The Pakistan Air Force scrambled 42 to 50 defense fighters to respond. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]
It's India had 72 aircrafts, Pakistan had 42 to 50 fighters for the fight ?
 
its not true f 16s are not too obsolete they can fight mkis mirages and all other stuff which iaf has except rafale

With trump and COAS good relations, I dont know why we are not seeking permission from USA for OZGUR moderanisation program ? After all its 75 fighter jets we are talking about.

On one hand we can either buy 75 J-10 or JF-17 which will cost multi-billions, on other hand we can modernaise and equip these F-16s by spending $10-15 million per jet.
 
Then go ahead, see what those junks will bring you.
Unfortunately that's the prevailing mindset even among the military leadership. Their love for the US military hardware never faded and the only reluctance is on the US part to sell us fancy stuff.
 
Your mind set is still stuck in 90s/2000s. China's fighter jets are now proven as among world's best if not that best yet.
Don't get me wrong, brother. I'm all for Chinese combat systems for the PAF. I'm simply saying that US equipment has never let the PAF down.

The issue is that the US has stopped offering Pakistan the latest-generation equipment, including the latest F-16 variants and the most advanced missiles available for them. If the US were willing to offer the PAF the latest F-16s with their latest weapons and systems, I believe the PAF would choose the F-16 over the J-10C any day.
 
Don't get me wrong, brother. I'm all for Chinese combat systems for the PAF. I'm simply saying that US equipment has never let the PAF down.

The issue is that the US has stopped offering Pakistan the latest-generation equipment, including the latest F-16 variants and the most advanced missiles available for them. If the US were willing to offer the PAF the latest F-16s with their latest weapons and systems, I believe the PAF would choose the F-16 over the J-10C any day.
They are but without any funds aid and with some restrictions.
 
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U.S.-Supplied F-16 Fighters in Pakistan Were Too Obsolete to Fight India in 2025

August-13th-2026

Pakistan’s ageing F-16 fourth generation fighter fleet was reportedly constrained during the 2025 India-Pakistan conflict by the limited range of its AIM-120C-5 AMRAAM missiles, according to comments attributed to a retired Pakistan Air Force (PAF) Air Commodore.

The reported assessment highlights a growing disparity between Pakistan’s U.S.-origin fighters and its newer Chinese-supplied combat aircraft in their beyond-visual-range combat capabilities.

The AIM-120C-5 remains the principal air-to-air weapon of the Pakistani F-16 fleet, and has an approximately 100 kilometre range. although the effective engagement range against a manoeuvring fighter can be considerably lower, however, and depends on launch altitude, speed, target behaviour, electronic warfare and other factors.

Pakistan Air Force F-16D
Pakistan Air Force F-16D

According to the reported Pakistani assessment, this limitation affected how aggressively F-16s could be employed during Operation Sindoor. Aircraft approaching the forward edge of the battlespace could potentially find themselves inside the effective engagement envelope of Indian fighters carrying newer or longer-ranged missile types before the Pakistani F-16s could achieve a comparable firing opportunity. Consequently, the Air Force was reportedly reluctant to expose a large proportion of its F-16 force to the most dangerous areas of the confrontation.

Pakistan first procured F-16 fighters in the early 1980s, although the faced significant disadvantages against Soviet fighters operating over Afghanistan, such as the MiG-23ML which had advanced beyond visual range combat capabilities. The F-16s were modernised in the early 2000s and integrated the AIM-120C, which for the first time provided them with radar guided air-to-air missiles. This narrowed the performance gap with India’s newly procured Su-30MKI ‘4+ generation’ fighters, which today form the backbone of its fleet. The Su-30MKI carries a radar several times more powerful and considerably more advanced, and has a greater missile payload, superior electronic warfare capabilities, and a far more outstanding flight performance.

Pakistan’s F-16s for decades, the aircraft formed the technological core of the Air Force’s fighter fleet, and played a central role during the 2019 India-Pakistan confrontation. Procurements of JF-17 Block III, and subsequently J-10C fighters from China in the early 2020s represented a game changer that left the F-16, and the large majority of Indian fighter types, far out of date. Both combine advanced active electronically scanned array (AESA) radars with modern data links and the PL-15 long-range air-to-air missile. The PL-15, and many of the technologies integrated onto the two fighter types, were originally developed for the J-20 fifth generation fighter program.

Pakistan Air Force J-10C with PL-15 Air-to-Air Missiles and Three External Fuel Tanks
Pakistan Air Force J-10C with PL-15 Air-to-Air Missiles and Three External Fuel Tanks

The PL-15 is designed to provide a substantially greater engagement envelope than older medium-range missiles such as the PL-12. Jane’s estimates its maximum range at around 300 kilometres, while its AESA radar seeker is considerably more powerful and challenging to jam than the much older seeker on the AIM-120C.

The J-10C’s service entry for the first time provided Pakistani fighter units with a distinct advantage over those in Indian Air Force service, with the aircraft credited with shooting down between one and for Indian Rafale fighters. Indian forces heavily compensated for these disadvantages by relying on newly procured S-400 long range air defence systems to take a heavy toll on Pakistani air power.

Pakistan Air Force F-16 (top) and J-10C Fighters
Pakistan Air Force F-16 (top) and J-10C Fighters

Pakistan’s growing dependence on Chinese combat aircraft reflects a broader strategic evolution in its air force. The JF-17 has already become the central component of the fleet, while the J-10C provides a substantially more capable platform that is expected to be procured in growing numbers.

The age of much of the F-16 fleet has fuelled speculation that the type could be passed out of service by the mid-2030s, with sustainment costs being significantly higher than those of the two newer Chinese fighter types. Multiple Pakistani sources have also reported that the country is expected to procure J-35 fifth generation fighter aircraft from China, which would further widen its advantage over Indian aircraft.


This reads like a horse-shit article written by an Indian.... and part of the same Sindoor narrative rewrite India is attempting.

The PAF F16 is far more capable than every single IAF fighter except for the 28 Rafales they have left....
 
Your mind set is still stuck in 90s/2000s. China's fighter jets are now proven as among world's best if not that best yet.

I would say that the Chinese jets give a capability that is more important to them than anything else, ie the long range of the PL15 to shoot down the IAF. F16 wins on other metrics that include airframe lifespan, servicing requirements and upgrade potential in the future etc.
 
With trump and COAS good relations, I dont know why we are not seeking permission from USA for OZGUR moderanisation program ? After all its 75 fighter jets we are talking about.

On one hand we can either buy 75 J-10 or JF-17 which will cost multi-billions, on other hand we can modernaise and equip these F-16s by spending $10-15 million per jet.
@Oscar is it correct? per cost modernisation of f 16 15-20 million?
 
Let's take a fresh perspective on F-16 (Block 15 to 52) we've had in our inventory for over 45 years.

What have we gained from them?

Carrot Stick with US and their permissions

Long-term sanctions
Economic compromises
Expensive parts
Resource shortages
Limited access to supplies
Data sharing with their enemies

70+K Pakistan killed
Salala attacks
Predator Drones everyday (.....started next day after received F-16 Block 52 latest version many years ago)

Begging, Begging and Begging for more F-16s.

SELL all of F-16 (rusty, unreliable and bad qualities) - don't worship it anymore!
 
OFF TOPIC: Who remembers between 1980 and 2024, everyone used to say that ONLY america, russia and the west will produce the world's best fighter jets for the next 50-100 years and that Pakistan will ALWAYS have to rely on america for F-16s. The same people also doubted Chinese fighter jets and other weapons platforms/systems. How time have changed for the EXACT OPPOSITE to now be true............:)
 
I would say that the Chinese jets give a capability that is more important to them than anything else, ie the long range of the PL15 to shoot down the IAF. F16 wins on other metrics that include airframe lifespan, servicing requirements and upgrade potential in the future etc.

Yes, and considering the blistering pace of Chinese development who knows what toys will equip our J-10Cs/J-35s in the future!?

The PL-15s we used to shoot down brand new Rafales were 15 years old. One can only imagine what is in the very latest models....
 

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