PAF J-35AE - News, Updates and Discussions

Yasser76 said:
Yeah, that is what I suspect, looks like PAF may have even stopped all 4.5th Gen (JF-17C/J-10C) purchases just to go after the J-35. May also explain a lack of procurement in general within the PAF too. No C-130 replacement, no new LIFT, no new basic trainer to replace T-37, no additional or new refuelling tankers even though we have more fighters with in flight refuelling capability.

There is either $0 in the pot or something is up.
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From a financial perspective, we are currently in a period of high global interest rates—a phenomenon that has been extremely rare over the past few decades. It is inappropriate for Pakistan to purchase the J-35 during this period when financing is so expensive.

As far as I understand, domestic interest rates in Pakistan have already reached double digits; if Pakistan were to pay in its local currency, it would shoulder a heavy debt burden.

Even if it were to use international commercial loans, the interest rates would still be very high. For example, Poland purchased three A26 submarines from Sweden at an interest rate as high as 4.5%, and since Pakistan’s standing with the IMF is weaker than Poland’s, the interest rate for Pakistan would only be higher. The interest rate obtained by Pakistan should be 6.5~7.5%.

Of course, Pakistan could obtain a loan from the Export-Import Bank of China through the Chinese government. However, given current market conditions, even if the Chinese government were to exert pressure, it is unlikely that the Export-Import Bank of China would agree to a 4.15% interest rate again.
 
MH.Yang said:
From a financial perspective, we are currently in a period of high global interest rates—a phenomenon that has been extremely rare over the past few decades. It is inappropriate for Pakistan to purchase the J-35 during this period when financing is so expensive.

As far as I understand, domestic interest rates in Pakistan have already reached double digits; if Pakistan were to pay in its local currency, it would shoulder a heavy debt burden.

Even if it were to use international commercial loans, the interest rates would still be very high. For example, Poland purchased three A26 submarines from Sweden at an interest rate as high as 4.5%, and since Pakistan’s standing with the IMF is weaker than Poland’s, the interest rate for Pakistan would only be higher. The interest rate obtained by Pakistan should be 6.5~7.5%.

Of course, Pakistan could obtain a loan from the Export-Import Bank of China through the Chinese government. However, given current market conditions, even if the Chinese government were to exert pressure, it is unlikely that the Export-Import Bank of China would agree to a 4.15% interest rate again.
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Yeah, the only way I see this happening is via Saudi money
 
Yasser76 said:
Yeah, the only way I see this happening is via Saudi money
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I was thinking Saudi would do it in the context of creating an expeditionary force for the Makkah Self defense alliance. It is literally the only way the alliance can get a stealth fighter into its ranks "quickly" to have a quick counter to Israel's F-35s as F-35s for Turkiye are there yet, and Saudi have only recently signed on for their F-35s.

The Saudi's recently took on a loan for $8billion, so they are having to manage their economy because of the Iran war, and restrictions on oil sales right, so I am not sure esp given the loan Saudi already gave, to return the billions that UAE demanded back.


Pakistan's credit levels are stretch right now, it seems.
 
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Corax said:
How do you know 10 crossed into Pak airspace? I don't recall anyone from the PAF stating that. As far as I know they all launched SOWs from withing their own airspace.
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I guess you didnt see the "maybe" before that . ? That wasnt a claim, that was an assumption.

RealNapster said:
But out of those 72 maybe 10 crossed Pakistani border.
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@Salza I hope this satisfies your curiosity.
 
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Yasser76 said:
No, not claiming anything really, maybe just that the battle was more one sided then we thought or that we could have shot down more, but could well be wrong, my point is either PAF has become very complacent (which it never has done in the past) or that something is up and we may see inductions soon
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I would be the devils advocate and say that maybe PAF lost its bearing.

Before you point it out, let me say I agree, too strong of a reaction. But in a sea full of all these possibilities.....
 
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RealNapster said:
I would be the devils advocate, more like a glass half empty type of guy, and say that maybe PAF lost its bearing.

Before you point it out, let me say I agree, too strong of a reaction. But in the sea of all these possibilities.....
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Yeah, that may just be your opinion, unsure how an Air Force as potent and professional as the PAF suddenly "loses it's bearings", but maybe some complacency and they know things about IAF we dont? Either way, I think very soon we will find out. If by end of the year we have no new inductions I will start worrying. Right now the PAF is, righfully so, highly regarded after May 7th and sending it's pilots and planes to defend others, be that Iranian President in air escort or Saudi bases.
 
Ali_Baba said:
I was thinking Saudi would do it in the context of creating an expeditionary force for the Makkah Self defense alliance. It is literally the only way the alliance can get a stealth fighter into its ranks "quickly" to have a quick counter to Israel's F-35s as F-35s for Turkiye are there yet, and Saudi have only recently signed on for their F-35s.

The Saudi's recently took on a loan for $8billion, so they are having to manage their economy because of the Iran war, and restrictions on oil sales right, so I am not sure esp given the loan Saudi already gave, to return the billions that UAE demanded back.


Pakistan's credit levels are stretch right now, it seems.
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Yeah, lets see what the future holds, right now we are lucky, enemy has 28 Rafales that they will carefully husband now, rest of their fleet we can comfortably manage.
 
Yasser76 said:
Yeah, that may just be your opinion, unsure how an Air Force as potent and professional as the PAF suddenly "loses it's bearings", but maybe some complacency and they know things about IAF we dont? Either way, I think very soon we will find out. If by end of the year we have no new inductions I will start worrying. Right now the PAF is, righfully so, highly regarded after May 7th and sending it's pilots and planes to defend others, be that Iranian President in air escort or Saudi bases.
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Nevertheless, PAF is good with out any new platform for atleast till 2028 end. If it wants to keep adding new J10C or JF17B3, then good. But even if it doesn't. Will still keep standing on its feet. But things will start changing really fast after 2028. India is also testing a new locally made aesa for its SU-30MKI. That is 230 4th generation fighter jets expected to start getting aesa radars in or after 2028 end.
 
RealNapster said:
Nevertheless, PAF is good with out any new platform for atleast till 2028 end. If it wants to keep adding new J10C or JF17B3, then good. But even if it doesn't. Will still keep standing on its feet. But things will start changing really fast after 2028. India is also testing a new locally made aesa for its SU-30MKI. That is 230 4th generation fighter jets expected to start getting aesa radars in or after 2028 end.
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Nope, wrong. Even Indian timelines are 15 years for the SU-30 upgrade and that is a MASSIVE "if"

You are basically assuming India will develop, test and integrate an AESA radar into a foreign fighter in a record time span, when we all know their track record. If HAL claims 10 years, it will be closer to 20.

Also the initial contract is for 84 planes. So you are wrong on timelines and numbers

At best, and if HAL as a complete sea change as a company and works a miracle, there will be 80 odd planes by 2040.

That is a joke, when the world will be 5th/6th Gen by then
 
Yasser76 said:
Nope, wrong. Even Indian timelines are 15 years for the SU-30 upgrade and that is a MASSIVE "if"

You are basically assuming India will develop, test and integrate an AESA radar into a foreign fighter in a record time span, when we all know their track record. If HAL claims 10 years, it will be closer to 20.

Also the initial contract is for 84 planes. So you are wrong on timelines and numbers

At best, and if HAL as a complete sea change as a company and works a miracle, there will be 80 odd planes by 2040.

That is a joke, when the world will be 5th/6th Gen by then
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Bro by end of 2028, "expected to start" replacing radars on 230 fighter jets. And the article on this reads,

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In February 2025, DRDO, which displayed a model of the radar with a 950-mm antenna and about 2,400 GaN T/R modules, claimed that development of the Virupaksha radar was progressing as planned. DRDO subsequently told Janes that it had finalized the radar’s design architecture.

Developmental trials using a Hawker-800 are reportedly planned for 2027, with Su-30MKI integration planned for 2028""""". This radar is already

www.eurasiantimes.com

India's Su-30MKI Upgrade Built on Shaky Ground: Can HAL Rely on "Unproven" Virupaksha AESA Radar?

HAL’s Su-30MKI upgrade pivots almost entirely around the Virupaksha AESA radar being developed by DRDO to replace the existing N011M Bars Passive Electronically Scanned Array (PESA) radar. DRDO’s confidence in successfully developing the Virupaksha AESA on a tight timeline rests on its...
www.eurasiantimes.com www.eurasiantimes.com

I asked Google AI for status on this radar.

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By the way I beloeve you are mixing Tejas moderinization program with SU-30MKI upgradation program.
 
Yasser76 said:
Yeah, the only way I see this happening is via Saudi money
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In this special period, Saudi Arabia is also unwilling to release too much cash in its hands. Pakistan should wait now, wait for this period of time to pass. Engaging in any unnecessary borrowing now is a very irrational behavior. As far as I know, Pakistan's current demand for J-35 is not urgent, and you can easily defeat India, while Israel has also been dragged into the quagmire by Iran.
 
Ali_Baba said:
If Pakistan has any money for J10CE or JF17B3, it would be better off spending that on the J-35AE given the advantages stealth provides over a non-stealth platform.
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If it were just India instead of Israel, Pakistan should consider prioritizing an increase in the number of J-10CE.
 
Pakistani Dragon said:
The Great Pakistani Predictors
UPDATED: 29/08/2026

Asset​
Predictor​
Arrival Date​
Predicted​
Outcome
J-35flyingorca6 September 202518 August 2025Got it Wrong
J-35Zarvan31 December 202517 August 2025Got it Wrong
J-35Zarvan31 March 202617 August 2025Wrong again
J-35Yasser7623 May 202614 January 2026Got it wrong
J-35Zarvan30 June 202617 August 2025Mamu lied
J-35MastanKhan31 July 202608 July 2024Got it wrong
J-35flyingorca31 July 202601 May 2026Got it wrong
J-35AeronautIR14 August 202601 August 2025Got it wrong
J-35Aziqbal14 August 202627 April 2026Got it wrong
J-35Ali_Baba14 August 202609 May 2026Got it wrong
J-35Jinn Baba14 August 202609 May 2026Got it wrong
J-35hyperman31 August 202601 May 2026TBC
J-35hasssanali899807 November 202615 August 2026TBC
J-35maverick31 December 2026?? January 2024TBC
J-35studsmart31 December 202614 January 2026TBC
J-35NA7131 December 202615 January 2026TBC
J-35RocketLaw31 December 202616 January 2026TBC
J-35TopGun78631 December 202616 January 2026TBC
J-35Distant_Observer31 December 202605 July 2026TBC
J-35Starlord23 March 202727 April 2026TBC
J-35Salza23 March 202702 May 2026TBC
J-35NA7131 March 202707 May 2026TBC
J-35NGAD IS THE BEST31 March 202716 May 2026TBC
J-35Pakistanithinktank31 December 202715 January 2026TBC
J-35That_Guy31 December 202728 April 2026TBC
J-35Tariq Habibi Afridi14 August 202816 January 2026TBC
J-35falcon3420 August 202814 January 2026TBC
J-35lightening f5730 August 202814 January 2026TBC
J-35hasssanali899807 August 202815 January 2026TBC
J-35SiliconBit (silicon0000)31 December 202808 July 2024TBC
J-35Pakistanithinktank31 December 202815 January 2026TBC
J-35Olympus8131 December 202827 April 2026TBC
J-35MH.Yang31 December 202816 May 2026TBC
J-35NGAD IS THE BEST31 December 202816 May 2026TBC
J-35Corax01 February 202928 April 2026TBC
J-35_NOBODY_23 March 202928 April 2026TBC
J-35kimjongun01 January 203027 April 2026TBC
J-35Princeps05 March 203014 January 2025TBC
J-35Pak AI31 March 203016 May 2026TBC
J-35SiliconBit (silicon0000)31 December 203008 July 2024TBC
J-35TF814 August 203115 May 2026TBC
J-35Ibbi3230 September 203127 April 2026TBC
J-35maxpane31 January 203514 January 2026TBC
J-35m52k85
31 December 2035		09 May 2026TBC

Anyone else wants to join this list, let me know.

This is just for fun.
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where I predicted 31 March 2027? I always predict J-35 will come in 2028-2030 timeframe
 
MH.Yang said:
If it were just India instead of Israel, Pakistan should consider prioritizing an increase in the number of J-10CE.
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a) Pakistan's problem now also include Israel b) even if it did not include Israel, the multiplier effect of a J-35AE in being able to achieve virtually uncontested kill ratios against the IAF make the J-35AE more of value to the PAF.

I disagree with your point of view very fundamentally. Pakistan should not buy anymore J10CE or JF17C but must buy the J-35AE instead. Neither of us is going to change the others mind on this, and that is fine too.
 
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