Breaking News: Yemen's Houthis strike Saudi Arabia's Abha airport with missiles and drones in a sharp escalation

[muhammed45]

No one here is defending Israel. We all want the genocidal nation accountable for what it has done. But condemning Israel does not mean we must blindly believe every Iranian propaganda story either.

If Iran truly possessed the power it constantly claims, Israel would not still be bombing Lebanon with near impunity. Tehran talks about deterrence while the countries hosting its so called resistance movements keep getting destroyed.

The pattern is now obvious......... Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis fight in Iran’s name, but Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen pay the actual price. Iran gets strategic depth and propaganda victories...... everyone else gets ruined.

You blame us as if we have created Israel. Or maybe your brain cannot remember past 70 years ago.

The simple conclusion can be this, tye resistance groups were there way before Iranian Revolution.

You call Israel 'nation' says a lot about you and you are not in a place to judge Muslims

 

[muhammed45]

Pakistan if this is true, is making a grave mistake. .

Sauds are not independent, they are protecting US hegemony.

Fighting for Sauds, is fighting for US hegemony.

Yemenis are oppressed people, hope Pakistani brothers in the pak consider this in their calculations.

Don't make same mistake of Afghanistan.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

Pakistan if this is true, is making a grave mistake. .

Sauds are not independent, they are protecting US hegemony.

Fighting for Sauds, is fighting for US hegemony.

Yemenis are oppressed people, hope Pakistani brothers in the pak consider this in their calculations.

Don't make same mistake of Afghanistan.

Was that also your opinion when Iran was backing internationally recognized govt of Bashar Al Assad, it's ally, against Syrian rebels? Shouldn't you be saying don't make mistake of Iran in Syria? Or only you get to have national interests and everyone's else's national interests, in this case Saudi Arabia's, are unwarranted?

Pakistan recognized Bashar because he was internationally recognized. Why would it not recognize internationally recognized Yemeni govt and why will it not come to aid it's allies in whatever way possible like you did for Bashar when he was barrel bombing Aleppo? Please, keep the emotionally charged and misleading advice to yourselves. They don't suit coming from Iranians especially.

As for US hegemony, wasn't Iran fighting side by side with US in Iraq in mid 2010s against Iraqi rebel group called ISIS? If it's not black and white there, why should it be black and white here. Iran and Israel/US aren't the only two players in middle east no matter how much iran, Israel and US would try to convince us of. The choices are not binary.

 

[F.O.X]

You blame us as if we have created Israel. Or maybe your brain cannot remember past 70 years ago.

The simple conclusion can be this, tye resistance groups were there way before Iranian Revolution.

You call Israel 'nation' says a lot about you and you are not in a place to judge Muslims

Once again, nothing but emotional statements having zero connection with what I actually said.

Nobody blamed you for creating Israel, and nobody claimed resistance began with the Iranian revolution. The point is that iran uses these groups for its own strategic interests while Gaza, Lebanon and Yemen pay the price. You avoided answering that because emotional speeches are easier than facing reality.

And now your argument is that because I called Israel a ''nation,'' I am somehow not qualified to judge Muslims. brilliant logic. When facts become uncomfortable, question the other person’s faith and run away from the actual argument.

Pakistan will defend its allies by every means available, regardless of who we have to fight. That commitment will be decided by Pakistan’s interests and obligations, not by Iranian propaganda or your emotional lectures.

Accusations, religious policing and emotional slogans are not arguments. They are just a cover when facts are not on your side.

 

[muhammed45]

Was that also your opinion when Iran was backing internationally recognized govt of Bashar Al Assad, it's ally, against Syrian rebels? Shouldn't you be saying don't make mistake of Iran in Syria? Or only you get to have national interests and everyone's else's national interests, in this case Saudi Arabia's, are unwarranted?

Pakistan recognized Bashar because he was internationally recognized. Why would it not recognize internationally recognized Yemeni govt and why will it not come to aid it's allies in whatever way possible like you did for Bashar when he was barrel bombing Aleppo? Please, keep the emotionally charged and misleading advice to yourselves. They don't suit coming from Iranians especially.

As for US hegemony, wasn't Iran fighting side by side with US in Iraq in mid 2010s against Iraqi rebel group called ISIS? If it's not black and white there, why should it be black and white here. Iran and Israel/US aren't the only two players in middle east no matter how much iran, Israel and US would try to convince us of. The choices are not binary.

What a load of non sense. Sorry, i lack the time for responding to your non sense. .

It will be decided on the ground not on the web

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

What a load of non sense. Sorry, i lack the time for responding to your non sense. .

It will be decided on the ground not on the web

Thank you for admitting that you have no logical retort to anything anyone says here other than emotionally charged hypocrisy that only works on zainabiyun terrorists.

If it will be decided on the ground, then why are you going around ranting on PDF? Cease whining here.

 

[muhammed45]

Thank you for admitting that you have no logical retort to anything anyone says here other than emotionally charged hypocrisy that only works on zainabiyun terrorists.

If it will be decided on the ground, then why are you going around ranting on PDF? Cease whining here.

You mixed issues up. This thread was about Yemen and KSA. Why bring Syria into this? And not just a simple conclusion or a short statement but talking about military operations and the role of an other country/group and also the way SAA was fighting in this specific thread, is waste of time. Not only that, it can be misguiding.

It will be determined on the ground, i shall repeat myself. I mentioned Afghanistan to provide the audience with a clue. We can discuss these issues in an other thread. But those related to Iran-US war, Saudi invasion on Yemen, western blockade on Yemen, Saud's role in backing ptero-dollar can be related to this thread.

 

[Desert]

.. like India proposed India, UAE, Israel corridor... or max they will take a pinch and start traveling via south Africa.....

Please do it.
Suez canal was a curse to egypt.

 

[Asfandyar Bhittani]

You mixed issues up. This thread was about Yemen and KSA. Why bring Syria into this? And not just a simple conclusion or a short statement but talking about military operations and the role of an other country/group and also the way SAA was fighting in this specific thread, is waste of time. Not only that, it can be misguiding.

It will be determined on the ground, i shall repeat myself. I mentioned Afghanistan to provide the audience with a clue. We can discuss these issues in an other thread. But those related to Iran-US war, Saudi invasion on Yemen, western blockade on Yemen, Saud's role in backing ptero-dollar can be related to this thread.

Why not bring Syria into this when legality is similar? KSA is backing an internationally recognized govt like you did in Syria. if Afghanistan, Iran, US and Petro dollar can be related then so is Syria and Iraq where Iran backed internationally recognized govt against rebels, even allied with US against rebels in Iraq. Operated under USAF close air support against Iraqi rebels.

You don't get to decide the limitations of the what is relevant or not.

Speaking of relevancy, Pakistan is treaty bound ally of KSA and Houthis are trying to reach Bab Al mandeb to block our shipping to KSA. It's you that have no relevancy to this topic.

 

[Musings]

You blame us as if we have created Israel. Or maybe your brain cannot remember past 70 years ago.

The simple conclusion can be this, tye resistance groups were there way before Iranian Revolution.

You call Israel 'nation' says a lot about you and you are not in a place to judge Muslims

Bro - Where has anyone blamed Iran created Israel? Maybe im missing something?
Lets debate respectfully - good points are being made here and deserve reading.

 

[muhammed45]

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Why not being Syria into this when legality is similar. KSA is backing a internationally recognized govt like you did in Syria. if Afghanistan, Iran, US and Petro dollar can be related then so is Syria and Iraq where Iran backed internationally recognized govt against rebels, even allied with US against rebels in Iraq. Operated under USAF close air support against Iraqi rebels.

You don't get to decide the limitations of the what is relevant or not.

Speaking of relevancy, Pakistan is treaty bound ally of KSA and Houthis are trying to reach Bab Al mandeb to block our shipping to KSA. It's you that have no relevancy to this topic.

Pakistani actions is not illegal from UN viewpoint. But does the same UN give a crap when Palestinian kids or Yemenis infants die of hunger under intense bombardment?
Gaza

Yemen


Everything related to west and USA specifically, is a legitimate target. Maybe Iranian government sometimes acted with cautious but that's the general thinking of Iranians that USA is a disease. In Syria, we were fighting against US stooge, ISIS and Israel and other groups aligned with NATO interests. In Yemen, Ansarullah is fighting against US puppet the house of Saud. Difference is, Assad was too weak and didn't have potential of a strong leader. He failed when he agreed to accept those aligned with Turkish interests in his army ranks.

You accused Iran of cooperating with USA in Iraq while it was the Persian gulf Arab kinglets that funded US war machine. USA used its airbases all over Arab states to pound Iraq.

In the end it was Iran and the allies that raised the cost of occupying Iraqi lands to an extent that USA had to reduce and limit its presence in Iraq. Iraq and Syria have suffered alot from separatist Kurds which is a separate topic. All the seditions started from Kurdish areas. USA specially counts on Kurdish terrorist groups.

Aside from UN legitimacy, there is something called Islamic rules. USA represents the modern era crusaders and intends to fully colonize Islamic countries. KSA is the most important backer of US hegemon on a global scale.

Now it depends on your own mindset, whether to take the side of rightful oppressed Muslim masses or the side of US puppets.

 

[muhammed45]

Bro - Where has anyone blamed Iran created Israel? Maybe im missing something?
Lets debate respectfully - good points are being made here and deserve reading.

The guy says Iran is using resistance groups in its own favour. It is absolutely aimed at provoking Iranians.

Resistance against Anglo expansion is not limited to Iran. And they were there long before Iranian Revolution. Iran is not the cause root of resistance, its US/Anglo savagery that forces Muslims to resist their expansionist policy. Its like someone claims Iran used Simon Bolivar in its own favour. Its a selective mindset that forgets the history.