Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[RealNapster]

FYI, IR scientists have been targeted for over 2 decades now!

So technology and capability can vanish overnight.

But will US drop a bunker buster bomb over a nuclear bomb sitting in iranian bunker ?

Do you still have some brain cells left to understand you are contradicting yourself?

 

[Pakistan First]

“They may have been Zionist but now Zionists are weak so why should they remain Zionists?”

You really don’t have any clue do you? Are you by chance one of those Pakistanis who lives in the gulf thereby is more Catholic than the pope?

We all sat here and observed and wondered why didn’t Ay-rabs stop the mass murders in Gaza.

We’re pushing the “Abrahamic accords” from the Saudis to the UAE and trying to coerce Pakistan into it.

I don’t think they’re less since all of their wealth is dependent on the petrol-dollars why mess with it? Even Trump said it in the past that these Ay-rabs won’t survive two weeks without the U.S. protection?

Even today, the cuck prince begged for intervention twice in Yemen. They have one of the largest defense budgets on the planet but calling the White man to come save their bacon. Wonder how Ay-rab women feel about their men that can’t fight and need to depend on non-Arabs to come fight for them? A woman loves power and men who can defend her. The second she sees her own man can’t defend her, she’s going to seek another man’s bed. My apology for the vulgar analogy but fits these GCC cats well.





you have no clue wtf you’re talking about. The U.S. and Israelis had a heavy footprint in the Gulf and around Iran. Objectively more firepower than all of Pakistan military put together and you think they need to bring their actual military to bear (costing 100s of billions of dollars deployment?).

What will Pakistan do? Redeploy their armor forces, infantry divisions, and Air Force order of battle in Baluchistan thereby leaving their eastern flank open to the Indians to capture Gilgit-Baltistan and Azad Kashmir? Not to mention coming war waters between us and the J33ts subhumans.

I recall these Arabs telling Pakistan to stand down when the j33tz attacked our mosques and people in the middle of the night. They told us they didn’t want us becoming another Gaza - gaslighting us not to escalate.

Jeez I wonder if they care about Pakistan’s interests as much as their own shaky thrones.

Nothing is more insufferable than a Pakistani simping for the Muslim - sorry Wahhabi Zionists.

I don't know from where your obsession of arabs came into play here?

His comments was about Pakistan and Turkey. I also mentioned neighbors (as Turkey and Pakistan) only. Anyone with military experience or even observing experience can fully understand that nature of war where you can apply 100% your man-power and inventory is many times more dangerous. His comment was that we don't even fear Super power so what Turkey/Pakistan are? It was straight-forward reply that Super-power don't even have 20,000 soldiers at Iranian border. So imagine unlimited supply of soldiers at both sides of Iran coupled with unlimited air support. You obviously have to worry about this war a thousand times more than just an aerial war with US.

US is never going to bring a million soldiers in this theatre. But neighbors don't have to bring. They are here already with tens of thousands of armoured vehicles and all logistics as its their home.

and yes to deploy a million force from US to anywhere near Iran will cost 100s of billions of dollars. Imagine the logitical costs of bringing armoured divisons, tanks, APCs and all the gear.

 

[Flotilla]

I said it before and will say it again.. When Pakistan gets involved seriously to either warn the US or warn Iran.... things come together... and we will see another serious round of discussions. Whilst its far from gteed to succeed , it will be the next iteration of new regional framework. The framework has 3 key pillars

a) Makkah Accord replacing US protection
b) Strait of Hormuz Mechanism (The solution i pasted earlier remains the most elegant)
c) Minimal US presence whilst no Iranian Nukes

I don't agree.
1.- What will guarantee that Israel/US won't attack back anytime soon?.
2.- Will Israel retreat Lebanon?.
3.- Will US relieve all sanctions to Irán and reconnect back to international payments systems?.

I agree most of the problem rely right now on Hormuz. But the rest of the problems are not solved and won't be solved.

Nuclear weapons program is the only way. I was reluctant one year ago, but even now Trump said It clearly.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Kyussis]

You are really something.

Did you hear trump saying IF IRAN HAS THE BOMB HE WOULD BE CRAWLING TOWARDS SUPREME LEADER ?

or did he say if iran had the technology ? And having technology means nothing as it still need atleast a year to make one. Take example of Japan. It have the technology. But not the bomb. And if it decide to make one, as per Chinese sources it will take them 1 year. You bet Iran can do it in less ?

Tell me again what reason US and Israel is providing for Iran ? Is it that they have bomb or they have the technology and capability to make one ?

Idiot here are not Pakistanis. It is you. And NO Ukraine do not have the bomb because it returned them 20+ years ago.

Mighty Dragon With Smally Brain

I don't understand why people take what trump says as the truth. Pakistan has Nuclear weapons. Is Trump crawling towards Pakistan?

 

[SilentWatch]

Exciting?

People are dying out there, I don't think I would use the word excited to describe it.

You're joking right ? have you seen the oil and stock markets this week ?

after the initial Feb to April period - this war went into a lull of Islamabad MOU then some ping pong between US and Iran that was meh... now finally there is some action curtesy the Houthis

Dont you see how smartly is now quietly sidelined itself? focusing on its invasion of southern Lebanon?

Now and its 'axis of resistance' is battling + Arabs +

Will and operationalize MDA or not? Attack

Can you imagine back in march I tried to run a war game scenario on exactly this Karg is not a naval invasion cost of US marines lives would be to high- it should be a Land incursion from Baluchistan into Iran - pakistan is the best place to run an allied forces invasion into Iran for the liberation of SOH, see https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...026-multi-domain-scenario.30977/#post-1203790

What was an "Iran - Israel/US War" may soon become a Muslim World War LOL

How is that not exciting? I am on a military forum because I like warfare strategy and I am loving the the Houthi blitz.

As for people's lives I am a realist - human lives are a resource of the state, people die everyday war or no war.

again go get some

 

[Mero]

I don't agree.
1.- What will guarantee that Israel/US won't attack back anytime soon?.
2.- Will Israel retreat Lebanon?.
3.- Will US relieve all sanctions to Irán and reconnect back to international payments systems?.

I agree most of the problem rely right now on Hormuz. But the rest of the problems are not solved and won't be solved.

Nuclear weapons program is the only way. I was reluctant one year ago, but even now Trump said It clearly.

Before Iran get nukes, Iran has to invest billions into city nuclear shelters for the Iranian public. You need to protect your civilians before "provoking" Israel into a first strike.

 

[RealNapster]

I don't understand why people take what trump says as the truth. Pakistan has Nuclear weapons. Is Trump crawling towards Pakistan?

Is trump dropping bombs on Pakistan every night ?

 

[RocketLaw]

Why Oil price is down a bit today to $104?

 

[Mero]

Trump has admitted he is waiting until after the midterm elections to escalate against Iran

Iran should not operate on his timeline, for the 20th time

more evidence...

trump is wanting to spend over 1 trillion USD for election dividend checks.

Trump’s proposed $5,000 election dividend checks could fuel inflation, economists say​

Trump’s proposed $5,000 election dividend checks could fuel inflation, economists say

Economists say President Donald Trump’s promise of a $5,000 "dividend" check could stoke inflation, further straining household finances in the long run.

www.cnbc.com

trump does not want high petrol prices for the election, and wants to not be impeached in January. trump crashes and burns based on the Nov elections.

trump praises China because trump fears China. When trump fears you, you get praise and you get directed to do nothing to defeat trump. Iran in the next two months has the capability to defeat trump. Does Iran want that?

After the Nov elections, no reason to fear Iran... meaning... .

Having Democrats controlling Congress in January could end the war. Does Iran want that?

If trump loses in Nov, for two months there is going to be madness and mayhem.

 

[SilentWatch]

I don't agree.
1.- What will guarantee that Israel/US won't attack back anytime soon?.
2.- Will Israel retreat Lebanon?.
3.- Will US relieve all sanctions to Irán and reconnect back to international payments systems?.

I agree most of the problem rely right now on Hormuz. But the rest of the problems are not solved and won't be solved.

Nuclear weapons program is the only way. I was reluctant one year ago, but even now Trump said It clearly.

1 there are no promises in geopolitics only interests of states
2 - no and the world can’t make it retreat . There is no incentive for isreal to do so - no or
3 - yes that is on the table but SOH goes back to pre war that’s the US line.

Iran wanted a regional framework with no us and sovereignty over SOH.

What Iran currently can get is regional framework with partial withdrawal US remaining in Jordan Kuwait and KSA to safeguard Israel + sanctions relief only

 

[Master Chief]

Why Oil price is down a bit today to $104?

Could be normal slight market correction due to sell off before weekend. Completely normal and a slow rise will resume next week, if this is the case.

Alternatively, could be genuine signals of genuine improvement in oil outflow, from where I don't know as all that I can see is additional threats to oil outflow thanks to the Houthis (both at Bab el Mandab and the EW pipeline).

 

[Master Chief]

1 there are no promises in geopolitics only interests of states
2 - no and the world can’t make it retreat . There is no incentive for isreal to do so - no or
3 - yes that is on the table but SOH goes back to pre war that’s the US line.

Iran wanted a regional framework with no us and sovereignty over SOH.

What Iran currently can get is regional framework with partial withdrawal US remaining in Jordan Kuwait and KSA to safeguard Israel + sanctions relief only

Agree. Israel holds the best cards and always will.

 

[Watandar]

Why Oil price is down a bit today to $104?

Perhaps some profit taking. They should resume their slow rise next week. The high/low is how traders and speculators make money.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Why Oil price is down a bit today to $104?

PGCC and Iran are meeting to discuss Strait of Hormoz solution

but this is retarded, the US will not recognise it and lift the blockade even if Iran and the PGCC agree a deal, and all this does is depress oil prices