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I think Houthis sent enough missile and drone to Israel ..................any other nation ? ...................57 super giant Muslim countries .........



Saudi Arabia’s request for help from Israel is ‘an opportunity’



Why are you reposting Israeli propoganda sites dude?
 
I think Houthis sent enough missile and drone to Israel ..................any other nation ? ...................57 super giant Muslim countries .........



Saudi Arabia’s request for help from Israel is ‘an opportunity’


Enough missiles and drones? Enough for what exactly?

Did they stop Israel from killing Palestinian civilians? Did they open the crossings so food and medicine could reach the children in Gaza? Did they put a roof over the families sleeping in tents? If the answer to all of that is no, then what are we calling ''enough " ?

You can criticise the Muslim countries for doing too little. I do too. But counting missiles while Palestinian children are starving & being bombed is a strange way to measure who helped them. A missile makes a headline for a day. Those children need food, safety and a future.

Israel is responsible for what it has done to Gaza may they rott in Hell. But please dont turn the suffering of Palestinians into a scoreboard for Iran or the Houthis.

Ask what their actions actually achieved for the people still trapped there.
 
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Turkish police crushed a giant Israeli fraud network on the Turkish stock exchange and made it worldwide news and now you see American style shootouts at Turkish high schools.

No peace in muslim countries untill Israel is crushed.
 
because 57 giant muslim countries are smarter than Houthis. What did Houthis achieve other than for its supporters and cheerleaders to use this as a brownie point in the arguments?

And now they allowing their ships through Bab-Al-Mandab. So what changed? Houthis ran out of missiles and drones?

Their basically another bunch of sectarian useful idiots that the isrealis can use to harm their rivals. Its for good reason that no serious efforts were made by the zionist axis to destroy them.

 
The below article illustrates the trap that the Gulf now finds itself in, having allowed the US to ingress so much into their countries and having collaborated with it so closely to shatter the rest of the region.

A strong inference can also be made from this article about the designs and targets of the Makkah pact.


Gulf leaders meet Trump with two fears: more war and less US protection​


US President Donald Trump’s Gulf Arab allies will meet him in New York on Tuesday as he weighs whether to “annihilate” Iran’s regime. They talked him out of a major escalation once before. This time, they fear being drawn deeper into the war just as Washington looks for a way out.

In early August, Trump said he called off a major attack on Iran at the behest of Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar, whose leaders believed a deal with Tehran was within reach. More than a month later, no such deal has emerged, oil prices remain high and the US midterm elections are approaching.

The US president told Axios on Thursday that he faced a “big decision” on the war and wanted to hear directly from Gulf leaders. Their challenge is to give him a way forward that protects them from further attacks without drawing them deeper into the war.

“Trump’s planned meeting with (Gulf leaders) could be one of the most important diplomatic meetings of this phase of the conflict,” Danny Citrinowicz, an Iran analyst at Israel’s Institute for National Security Studies, wrote on X. “The central question for Washington will be how they view the choice between renewed escalation and a diplomatic off-ramp.”

Last month, a coordinated appeal by Gulf leaders helped persuade Trump to hold fire. Now they meet as the war widens and Iran’s proxies target Saudi energy infrastructure from Yemen and Iraq, raising the specter of a global energy shock.

Saudi Arabia faces what may be its most far-reaching security threat since the 1991 Gulf War, even as Trump shows little appetite for intervening directly on its behalf and Washington discusses a longer-term reduction in its military presence in the Gulf. It is a test of the US-led security bargain that took shape after that war: Gulf states host American forces and buy US weapons, counting on Washington to help deter threats.

Whether Trump intends to act on his threat to “annihilate” the regime remains unclear. He has reasons to think twice: US missile stockpiles are severely depleted, while another escalation in an already unpopular war could hurt Republican candidates in midterm elections just weeks away.

If the US escalates militarily with Iran, Gulf states could once again bear the brunt of Tehran’s retaliation, which they have little appetite for. Riyadh already faces a two-front assault, while Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait continue to face major disruptions to trade due to the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. The UAE, meanwhile, has stepped up engagement with Iran. The two sides agreed on the need to “turn the page,” according to Anwar Gargash, diplomatic adviser to the UAE president. But Gargash has warned that trust could take decades to rebuild and said dialogue must be paired with deterrence.

Gulf leaders will only be able to persuade Trump if they speak with “one united voice” and bring him “very, very specific asks,” Bader Al-Saif, an assistant professor of history at Kuwait University, told CNN.

A security order under attack​

Beyond Trump’s next move on Iran, Gulf leaders face a longer-term fear: a diminished US military presence in the region.

Senior Pentagon officials have privately made clear they want to scale back the US military’s troop presence in several Gulf countries as part of a broader effort to shift more of the defense burden onto regional partners, three sources familiar with the discussions told CNN earlier.

For Gulf governments, even discussing a US military drawdown while attacks spread across the region risks handing Iran a victory and leaving them more exposed.

“This is not the time to have these conversations at all,” an official familiar with Saudi thinking told CNN, adding that this has been conveyed to the Trump administration. “The Gulf Cooperation Council is really trying very hard to project a united front against Iran.”


Just two weeks into the Iran war, Trump questioned why the US should shoulder so much of the burden of protecting Gulf energy routes as Iran began pummeling Gulf states in retaliation for US and Israeli strikes.

“You could make the case that maybe we shouldn’t even be there at all,” Trump said in March, referring to the US’ military presence in the Gulf.

For the official familiar with Saudi thinking, talk of a reduced US military footprint serves Tehran’s interests. “The Iranians want headlines like the one that came out about the US drawing down or withdrawing from Kuwait,” the official told CNN, referring to a Wall Street Journal report in late June that the US military was considering reducing its presence in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

Iran has long cast US bases in the Gulf as a threat on its doorstep. Throughout the war, Tehran has repeatedly demanded their closure, and Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei has turned the argument on Gulf leaders, saying the bases have made their countries targets without delivering the security Washington promised.

“By now they must have realized that the United States’ claims of providing security and peace have been nothing more than a lie,” he said in a March statement.

For Bader Al-Saif of Kuwait University, the war is testing something larger than the future of US bases. The 1991 Gulf War made the region a proving ground for American dominance at its global peak. Now, he said, the Gulf is a “test case” for a shift in the opposite direction.

“We’ve had three decades of a US-led order. That order is over,” he said. “Does that mean the new order is not going to have the US? No. But it’s going to have a different type of relationship between the US and the Gulf.”

Saudi Arabia left waiting​

For Riyadh, the limits of that changing US relationship were put to a stark test this month. Attacks on Saudi oil facilities and export routes threatened to choke off supplies, drive up global oil prices and raise the cost of gasoline for Americans.

Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthis have struck Saudi oil facilities and declared a blockade of ships traveling to and from Saudi ports through the Red Sea. Iran-backed militias in Iraq have also been accused of attacking the kingdom’s East-West pipeline, a crucial route that bypasses the Strait of Hormuz.

Yet when Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman asked Trump to strike the Houthis, the president declined, CNN reported earlier. The decision came less than a year after Washington signed a defense agreement with Riyadh and designated Saudi Arabia a major non-NATO ally, though the US continues to provide Saudi forces with intelligence and targeting support.

The Saudi episode captures the dilemma Gulf leaders may bring to Trump on Tuesday: they want American help against impending attacks, but fear another major escalation with Iran could make them less secure.

Most Gulf governments would prefer stability to another round of war, wrote Citrinowicz. That doesn’t mean turning away from Washington, he said: “American power is indispensable, yet relying exclusively on Washington carries risks of its own.”

For Al-Saif, that case should begin with something less ambitious than a sweeping peace deal: freedom of navigation through the Strait of Hormuz, potentially in exchange for limited relief on Iranian oil sales and access to goods. Gulf leaders need specific demands, he said, before a war of attrition becomes “the new norm for the Gulf.”

But even a narrower bargain may be hard to reach. In August, Gulf leaders allegedly told Trump a deal with Iran was close; this time, Qatar’s own assessment as mediator sounds far less hopeful.

At a conference in Abu Dhabi this month, Qatar’s foreign ministry spokesman Majid Al Ansari cast doubt on the prospects for a deal. Iran could withstand a long war, he said. Washington may hope further pressure weakens Tehran, while Iran may hope the conflict changes the political calculus in the US. For now, both sides may see more to gain by waiting.

Even if they return to talks, Al Ansari sees no clear agreement that both would accept as a win. “What is the desired outcome for both parties in this war?” he asked. “If anyone can answer that, I am willing to pay a million dollars – from my own money.”
 
Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan:

The #Mecca Alliance will be a game changer
Saudi Arabia is outside the US-Iranian conflict.

 
I have a feeling Turkey is going to step in and help Saudi Arabia. Give it a few years, and we'll see the Houthis back down, whether it's through a deal or by force
 


Even nature hates Modi.

I am not sure that qualifies as Hate.
The horse definitely has ideas about another part of the PM's body whose measurement is definitely more than 56 inch.
you already know the answer, he has no actual arguments , just pointless one liners.
Unfortunately for many - loyalty to country, sect and party - is more than reasoning. Because ANY other possibility means losing the reality they have built and it is very very painful to alter reality.

Im using this as an extreme and totally fictional example - purely for illustration and you're just a "subject".

But imagine if tomorrow your father says he actually had a secret second family he never told anyone about.
That toll on "reality" - on what you had as image of him, your family unit - relationships both existing and how you intend to shape them - would go bust.

You might question his story, look for an explanation, or need time before you can accept it. That wouldn’t necessarily mean you were incapable of reasoning. It would mean the truth, if confirmed, carries an emotional cost.

Sometimes that defensiveness goes much further. People can become so invested in protecting their version of reality that they start treating every accusation against a political opponent as proof, even when the evidence is flimsy or nonexistent.

At that point, the question is no longer “Is this claim true?”

It becomes “Does this claim help explain why my side is right and their side is evil?”

Each new accusation reinforces the bubble, while any correction gets dismissed as part of the cover-up even in topics where there may be no context.

You don't even have to be the opponent.
You just have to fail the tone test.

So if you don't use the same slogans, the same enemies, the same pitch of rage -- well then youget bundled in with their definition of evil.

Any nuance and you have betrayed their pedestal or if you ask a question it becomes collaboration.

Once a belief is fused to identity, disagreement is not processed as disagreement.

It is processed as contamination and ironically it is people inside the group or those who actually agree with them in principle but who break the script often get treated worse than outsiders, because they threaten the story from within.

This gets uglier where people already carry racial bias, religious hatred, or sectarian division. Those don't sit in a separate drawer. The party cult puts a uniform on them. Arab vs Persian, Punjabi vs Pathan, Sunni vs Shia, Muslim vs Hindu, "real" vs "imported" patriot just are old hatreds to get a fresh excuse.

A great example being some Iranian Shah supporters. Their primary enemy is the Islamic Republic. The regime has given them plenty of real reasons. But the need to keep that enemy purely evil got so loud that peaceful resolution started looking like betrayal.
So you had people from that camp supporting the bombing of Iran instead. Their own country. Their own cities. Their own people only because a settlement would mean the villain is not cosmically evil, and that would break the reality they built around the exile, the loss, the identity.

So if you won't chant along, you are not just "wrong about a party."
You get dumped into the same pile as the ethnic enemy, the wrong sect, the traitor, the foreign agent.

This is what you see here with a lot of PTI supporters - a party that once sold itself as the educated middle class and "reason" - now doing the same things as supporters of the technofascist corrupt establishment or other political numbnuts they claim to oppose.

Same reflex.
If you won't speak in the approved tone, you are not a skeptic. You are the enemy.
 
The below article illustrates the trap that the Gulf now finds itself in, having allowed the US to ingress so much into their countries and having collaborated with it so closely to shatter the rest of the region.

A strong inference can also be made from this article about the designs and targets of the Makkah pact.


Gulf leaders meet Trump with two fears: more war and less US protection​


US President Donald Trump’s Gulf Arab allies will meet him in New York on Tuesday as he weighs whether to “annihilate” Iran’s regime. They talked him out of a major escalation once before. This time, they fear being drawn deeper into the war just as Washington looks for a way out.

In early August, Trump said he called off a major attack on Iran at the behest of Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and Qatar, whose leaders believed a deal with Tehran was within reach. More than a month later, no such deal has emerged, oil prices remain high and the US midterm elections are approaching.

The US president told Axios on Thursday that he faced a “big decision” on the war and wanted to hear directly from Gulf leaders. Their challenge is to give him a way forward that protects them from further attacks without drawing them deeper into the war.

“Trump’s planned meeting with (Gulf leaders) could be one of the most important diplomatic meetings of this phase of the conflict,” Danny Citrinowicz, an Iran analyst at Israel’s Institute for National Security Studies, wrote on X. “The central question for Washington will be how they view the choice between renewed escalation and a diplomatic off-ramp.”

Last month, a coordinated appeal by Gulf leaders helped persuade Trump to hold fire. Now they meet as the war widens and Iran’s proxies target Saudi energy infrastructure from Yemen and Iraq, raising the specter of a global energy shock.

Saudi Arabia faces what may be its most far-reaching security threat since the 1991 Gulf War, even as Trump shows little appetite for intervening directly on its behalf and Washington discusses a longer-term reduction in its military presence in the Gulf. It is a test of the US-led security bargain that took shape after that war: Gulf states host American forces and buy US weapons, counting on Washington to help deter threats.

Whether Trump intends to act on his threat to “annihilate” the regime remains unclear. He has reasons to think twice: US missile stockpiles are severely depleted, while another escalation in an already unpopular war could hurt Republican candidates in midterm elections just weeks away.

If the US escalates militarily with Iran, Gulf states could once again bear the brunt of Tehran’s retaliation, which they have little appetite for. Riyadh already faces a two-front assault, while Qatar, Bahrain and Kuwait continue to face major disruptions to trade due to the closure of the Strait of Hormuz. The UAE, meanwhile, has stepped up engagement with Iran. The two sides agreed on the need to “turn the page,” according to Anwar Gargash, diplomatic adviser to the UAE president. But Gargash has warned that trust could take decades to rebuild and said dialogue must be paired with deterrence.

Gulf leaders will only be able to persuade Trump if they speak with “one united voice” and bring him “very, very specific asks,” Bader Al-Saif, an assistant professor of history at Kuwait University, told CNN.

A security order under attack​

Beyond Trump’s next move on Iran, Gulf leaders face a longer-term fear: a diminished US military presence in the region.

Senior Pentagon officials have privately made clear they want to scale back the US military’s troop presence in several Gulf countries as part of a broader effort to shift more of the defense burden onto regional partners, three sources familiar with the discussions told CNN earlier.

For Gulf governments, even discussing a US military drawdown while attacks spread across the region risks handing Iran a victory and leaving them more exposed.

“This is not the time to have these conversations at all,” an official familiar with Saudi thinking told CNN, adding that this has been conveyed to the Trump administration. “The Gulf Cooperation Council is really trying very hard to project a united front against Iran.”


Just two weeks into the Iran war, Trump questioned why the US should shoulder so much of the burden of protecting Gulf energy routes as Iran began pummeling Gulf states in retaliation for US and Israeli strikes.

“You could make the case that maybe we shouldn’t even be there at all,” Trump said in March, referring to the US’ military presence in the Gulf.

For the official familiar with Saudi thinking, talk of a reduced US military footprint serves Tehran’s interests. “The Iranians want headlines like the one that came out about the US drawing down or withdrawing from Kuwait,” the official told CNN, referring to a Wall Street Journal report in late June that the US military was considering reducing its presence in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.

Iran has long cast US bases in the Gulf as a threat on its doorstep. Throughout the war, Tehran has repeatedly demanded their closure, and Supreme Leader Mojtaba Khamenei has turned the argument on Gulf leaders, saying the bases have made their countries targets without delivering the security Washington promised.

“By now they must have realized that the United States’ claims of providing security and peace have been nothing more than a lie,” he said in a March statement.

For Bader Al-Saif of Kuwait University, the war is testing something larger than the future of US bases. The 1991 Gulf War made the region a proving ground for American dominance at its global peak. Now, he said, the Gulf is a “test case” for a shift in the opposite direction.

“We’ve had three decades of a US-led order. That order is over,” he said. “Does that mean the new order is not going to have the US? No. But it’s going to have a different type of relationship between the US and the Gulf.”

Saudi Arabia left waiting​

For Riyadh, the limits of that changing US relationship were put to a stark test this month. Attacks on Saudi oil facilities and export routes threatened to choke off supplies, drive up global oil prices and raise the cost of gasoline for Americans.

Yemen’s Iran-backed Houthis have struck Saudi oil facilities and declared a blockade of ships traveling to and from Saudi ports through the Red Sea. Iran-backed militias in Iraq have also been accused of attacking the kingdom’s East-West pipeline, a crucial route that bypasses the Strait of Hormuz.

Yet when Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman asked Trump to strike the Houthis, the president declined, CNN reported earlier. The decision came less than a year after Washington signed a defense agreement with Riyadh and designated Saudi Arabia a major non-NATO ally, though the US continues to provide Saudi forces with intelligence and targeting support.

The Saudi episode captures the dilemma Gulf leaders may bring to Trump on Tuesday: they want American help against impending attacks, but fear another major escalation with Iran could make them less secure.

Most Gulf governments would prefer stability to another round of war, wrote Citrinowicz. That doesn’t mean turning away from Washington, he said: “American power is indispensable, yet relying exclusively on Washington carries risks of its own.”

For Al-Saif, that case should begin with something less ambitious than a sweeping peace deal: freedom of navigation through the Strait of Hormuz, potentially in exchange for limited relief on Iranian oil sales and access to goods. Gulf leaders need specific demands, he said, before a war of attrition becomes “the new norm for the Gulf.”

But even a narrower bargain may be hard to reach. In August, Gulf leaders allegedly told Trump a deal with Iran was close; this time, Qatar’s own assessment as mediator sounds far less hopeful.

At a conference in Abu Dhabi this month, Qatar’s foreign ministry spokesman Majid Al Ansari cast doubt on the prospects for a deal. Iran could withstand a long war, he said. Washington may hope further pressure weakens Tehran, while Iran may hope the conflict changes the political calculus in the US. For now, both sides may see more to gain by waiting.

Even if they return to talks, Al Ansari sees no clear agreement that both would accept as a win. “What is the desired outcome for both parties in this war?” he asked. “If anyone can answer that, I am willing to pay a million dollars – from my own money.”

And, Orange supposedly approved of Makkah pact!
He hamstrung it's progress and arm twisted MBS at his most vulnerable point. Attacking Houthis was a blunder... Orange had walked away after the umpteenth time Houthis were attacked by the US... as it became unmistakably clear that it is a much greater undertaking than previously assumed. This project was started under Obama and continued during the first Orange term... resurrected by genocidal Joe by the end of his term... he folded only to have Orange allow all means to subdue Houthis within a set time frame.

He concluded by walking away!!! MBS hasn't learned how to walk away... and now is being literally blackmailed...
The purchase of F-35s a few years back would have been the price for American protection... that ship has sailed! And yet both Emirates and Saudis one up each other in doubling down to buy more American gear...

It's impact on the budding pact is to make it redundant without firing a shot! Repurpose the funds elsewhere and gain further concessions while they have the foot on the Saudi crown.

It will create a rethinking in all policy circles to figure out workarounds, redundancies or just simply walk away considering it not worth the hassle. The cumulative of the pact was to ensure regional peace in a power vacuum created by American defeat but Orange clown doesn't seem as if he has fully read the room... the mental capacity of a shyster to make the buck out of a burning building is too much of a reward and he's wired exactly to take advantage of such situations. Something Americans haven't really caught on... because his last refrain is to put American nukes on the table where he cannot opt the walk...
 
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An amusing article by two govt funded "think tank experts" in Pakistan. In haughty and conceited language they talk about various ways Pakistan can wiggle out of the Makkah pact with regards to Yemen.

 

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