Türkiye restarts F-35 fighter jet negotiations with US while refusing to give up Russian S-400 missile system

So Turkey conceded, and the US agreed to the transfer. Israel failed to convince the UAE (or the US) not to take the deal. A failure for the Zionists.

We don't know what happened with the UAE deal. But what was communicated to Turkey was that even if Trump wanted to transfer it, the law passed demands that the S-400 leave Turkey before any transfer of the F-35, and that dismantling it would not be enough to get past it. With the emergence of SIPER, the S-400 is not largely relevant, as by the time SIPER-2 and SIPER-A are ready, Turkey would have domestic capacity in a S-400 equivalent system. Its already there in most aspects of the air defense envelope like non ballistic missile intercepts. Enough so that Turkey feels confident in not needing the S-400 long term.
 

So, in the end, Türkiye chose to surrender to the United States and submit to U.S. orders......

If, as a next step, Trump demands that Turkey abandon the KAAN project as a condition for resuming F-35 fighter jet supplies...... will Türkiye still comply with the order?
 
So, in the end, Türkiye chose to surrender to the United States and submit to U.S. orders......

If, as a next step, Trump demands that Turkey abandon the KAAN project as a condition for resuming F-35 fighter jet supplies...... will Türkiye still comply with the order?


That 40 engines what will be putted on Kaan is denied because off CAATSA. And getting a sqaudron off F35 to learn and counter it. If we had the money, 100+ Kaan, 110 F35, 280 F-16V, 48EF. That would be a banger but we don't have the money, so we will not comply old order.
 
If, as a next step, Trump demands that Turkey abandon the KAAN project as a condition for resuming F-35 fighter jet supplies...... will Türkiye still comply with the order?

There is no such thing
Let's proceed based on the facts


The S-400 issue is not about an order; it is about NATO ( including Turkiye ) not purchasing weapons from Russia.

CAATSA sanctions were imposed for this reason.
 
That 40 engines what will be putted on Kaan is denied because off CAATSA. And getting a sqaudron off F35 to learn and counter it. If we had the money, 100+ Kaan, 110 F35, 280 F-16V, 48EF. That would be a banger but we don't have the money, so we will not comply old order.
I fully understand and accept the compromises a nation is sometimes compelled to make when faced with the pressures of reality.

Whether for individuals or nations, the fundamental law of human society is that the strong prey on the weak. Consequently, when an individual or a country faces overwhelming pressure, making compromises becomes inevitable. This is a basic rule of human society, and I respect that.

Some nations have been forced to cancel purchases of Su-35 fighter jets or HQ air-defense missiles due to pressure from the United States. Such actions are entirely understandable and acceptable in the international arena.

China, too, has experienced similar situations; there is no shame in it.

What is truly shameful is the behavior of certain Turkish nationalists on this forum.

When the U.S. warned Turkey against purchasing the Russian S-400 air-defense system, the Erdoğan administration chose a stance of tough defiance—a move that made some people proud, viewing it as a display of governmental strength.

When U.S. sanctions arrived, the Erdoğan administration chose to continue resisting and to pursue independent development—something that thrilled certain individuals!

Yet, when Turkey found it increasingly difficult to bear the pressure of CAATSA sanctions and the Erdoğan administration began to compromise, those same individuals tried to spin the narrative and rationalize the situation.

1. CAATSA is a piece of U.S. domestic legislation; it is neither international law nor a NATO regulation. Nothing in the NATO charter or its mechanisms provides a basis for imposing economic or arms-trade sanctions on member states.

2. As a NATO member, Turkey is neither the first nor the only NATO nation to purchase weapons from Russia.
 
I fully understand and accept the compromises a nation is sometimes compelled to make when faced with the pressures of reality.

Whether for individuals or nations, the fundamental law of human society is that the strong prey on the weak. Consequently, when an individual or a country faces overwhelming pressure, making compromises becomes inevitable. This is a basic rule of human society, and I respect that.

Some nations have been forced to cancel purchases of Su-35 fighter jets or HQ air-defense missiles due to pressure from the United States. Such actions are entirely understandable and acceptable in the international arena.

China, too, has experienced similar situations; there is no shame in it.

What is truly shameful is the behavior of certain Turkish nationalists on this forum.

When the U.S. warned Turkey against purchasing the Russian S-400 air-defense system, the Erdoğan administration chose a stance of tough defiance—a move that made some people proud, viewing it as a display of governmental strength.

When U.S. sanctions arrived, the Erdoğan administration chose to continue resisting and to pursue independent development—something that thrilled certain individuals!

Yet, when Turkey found it increasingly difficult to bear the pressure of CAATSA sanctions and the Erdoğan administration began to compromise, those same individuals tried to spin the narrative and rationalize the situation.

1. CAATSA is a piece of U.S. domestic legislation; it is neither international law nor a NATO regulation. Nothing in the NATO charter or its mechanisms provides a basis for imposing economic or arms-trade sanctions on member states.

2. As a NATO member, Turkey is neither the first nor the only NATO nation to purchase weapons from Russia.
You're right, Erdoğan's supporters just ignore his past mistakes. There's a reason we call them 'sheep' in Turkey.

On the other hand, being under CAATSA sanctions since 2020 forced us to domesticate everything. Today, we're at a point where we can meet 83% of the Turkish Armed Forces' needs domestically.

If Erdoğan purposely got us into CAATSA sanctions just to boost the domestic production rate, I’d be his biggest supporter, but I highly doubt it. He was just forced to buy the S-400s because of Russian pressure back then.
 

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