Falcon29
Elite Member
Syria showed us both Iran and Saudi Arabia are capable of recruiting brainwashed and poor people. Both should not do that to settle personal scores.
Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates
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shapurzolaktaf
SpeedLimited
Saudi Arabia showed they dont care about palestinians, but when it comes to killing the population of Yemen, they play Islam, meccaa, medina.
Playing these cards, will weaken Islam more than it is already (2 billion muslims, only 150 million Shia supported Palestinians). The rest finance and trade with zionists (kushner received billions from bin salman).
Falcon29
Elite Member
Stop dragging Palestinians into every topic. Palestinians don't have anything to do with the Saudi-Iranian decades old feud.
Asfandyar Bhittani
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
It's their supply at Yanbu that was cut off. It's either this or but from the Russians.
Saudi Arabia Cuts Europe Off From October Crude as Gulf Exports Surge | OilPrice.com
Saudi Aramco has told European term customers they will receive no Saudi crude in October, even as the kingdom pushes roughly 60 million barrels back through the Persian Gulf after damage to its East-West pipeline.
oilprice.com
Asfandyar Bhittani
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
No better use of them to be honest.
The west does this regularly. They send their crazies to middle east to play crusaders instead of fighting them in the streets of Texas. We fight ours in the mountains regularly or at Faizabad irregularly.
I say create a foreign legion like the french, spend them at overseas crisis to make money and keep them out of our streets. They have no positive utility to society otherwise.
Asfandyar Bhittani
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
No one has weakened Islam more than the country whose population is so fed up with their Islam that they were burning mosques early this year. Only the french during their revolution attacked the clergy this way and we know the state of Christianity in France after the revolution.
350 mosques. Three hundred and fifty.
Also, why does road to Palestine go through Taiz and Aden Aleppo, parachinar? Don't pretend you care about the Palestinians and not using them as Cannon fodder for your own geopolitical expansion. "Supported Palestine". iran supported Palestine when their pope got kirked. Mere months after the start of genocide the Iranians were bombing Pakistan, not Israel.
So, again. Enough with the misguided lectures. There is no appetite for it outside the Pope's worshippers
Asfandyar Bhittani
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
Pakistani Pahlavists. They also attacked the mediation efforts. Their entire policy is to oppose govt's policies.
Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ
Trusted Member
At least you could have attempted to answer him instead of throwing a tantrum...
Here... your favorite MBS
Saudi Arabia: Prominent Clerics Arrested
Saudi authorities have arrested dozens of people, including prominent clerics, in what appears to be a coordinated crackdown on dissent, Human Rights Watch said today. The campaign comes three months after Mohammad bin Salman became crown prince in June 2017.
He's been secularizing Saudia... not his clan... the country he rules... his clan does whatever really... but who cares...
This after they systematically destroyed heritage of that land... changed it through their own doctrine they followed where anyone could be labeled an apostate...
Saudi Arabia Bulldozes Its Heritage
hlrn.org
Yes, the protests... oh the protests
Seven decades of US regime change efforts: What have they achieved?
US interventions in Iran and beyond reveal a recurring pattern of regime change, with high human and financial costs.
And they were not the first regime change protests in Iran either... thing is Pakistan manages them far more swiftly and people know the alternative is India so they endure!
Well, orange did something...
But that wouldn't be the first or the last time
Trump Told Iranians to Keep Protesting. Then He Abandoned Their Cause.
With the regime still in place, the war has left ordinary Iranians worse off, and U.S. policy has compounded their sense of abandonment.
This one was a quick excursion in the sea you know... decapitate and return... have the baby shah return to rule and then burn it at the alter....
That is the funniest claptrap ever... you have your own baby to cry for and innocents died...
Asfandyar Bhittani
THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
Pakistani, Saudi, Turkish military chiefs meet to discuss ways to assist Riyadh under Makkah defence pact
Saudi Arabia, Turkiye and Pakistan held military chiefs of staff talks on Friday with the objective to explore ways to assist Riyadh under the Makkah Defence Alliance.
The Turkish defence ministry published photographs of the three military officials in uniform, stating that the meeting had taken place, without disclosing where. (Riyadh obviously, the flight data is clear)
However, Turkiye’s Defence Ministry earlier said its Chief of General Staff General Selcuk Bayraktaroglu would travel to Saudi Arabia for the meeting.
The meeting took place against the backdrop of the kingdom being dragged into fresh fighting between the Houthis and the Yemeni government, with the former declaring a maritime blockade on Saudi Arabia and targeting its ships in the Red Sea. In recent weeks, Houthis have also carried out attacks in Saudi Arabia.
Earlier, the Foreign Office (FO) in Islamabad had shared that the three countries were mulling a military chiefs’ meeting to consider ways to assist Riyadh under the Makkah pact.
The FO statement came after Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar held a discussion on the defence pact with Saudi Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan bin Abdullah and Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan, on the sidelines of the 81st session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York.
In the statement, the FO noted that the tripartite agreement, signed on Aug 7, stipulated that an attack against any one of its parties should be considered an attack against all parties.
In their New York meeting, the foreign ministers of the three countries condemned in the “strongest terms the heinous attacks targeting the holy city of Makkah and civilian and economic facilities in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia”, the FO statement said.
At the same time, it added, the ministers “commended the vigilance of the Saudi armed forces and their ability to defend the kingdom’s security”.
“They reaffirmed the kingdom’s right to take such measures as it deems appropriate to defend its security, in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter.”
They further discussed the current situation in the region, underscoring the importance of upholding the principles of international law, good neighbourliness, mutual respect for the sovereignty of states, and non-interference in their internal affairs, as well as ensuring the security and freedom of navigation, the statement said.
Moreover, they reiterated their determination to work together towards achieving sustainable peace and stability in the region, support efforts towards de-escalation and encourage peaceful resolution to crises.
During the meeting, the ministers also reviewed progress made towards establishing the general secretariat and committees and working groups under the Makkah agreement, as well as preparations for the commencement of their work, the FO statement said.
Earlier in the day, Dar also posted on X: “Under the framework of the Makkah Joint Defence Agreement (MJDA), we reviewed progress towards establishing the institutional structures under the agreement and exchanged views on regional and international security issues.”
The Makkah Defence Alliance’s inaugural meeting was held on Aug 31, where officials from all member states met in Istanbul to establish the institutional structure of the alliance, and Pakistan was picked to head its secretariat in Riyadh. Retired Lieutenant General Nauman Mahmood has been appointed as the first secretary general.
A day earlier, Saudi Arabia intercepted six ballistic missiles fired by the Houthis after issuing warnings for several regions, including Makkah. This was the second time that a warning was issued for the holy city in the last two weeks.
As Yemen’s Houthi rebels continue to attack Saudi Arabia, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General Lieutenant General Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry on Sept 18 said that Pakistan would go to “any extent” to defend Saudi Arabia, adding that Islamabad’s commitment to the kingdom’s security was “unconditional”.
On Wednesday, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif had also vowed to stand “shoulder to shoulder” with Saudi Arabia in safeguarding its sovereignty and security.
Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia’s King Salman this week denounced the Houthis as a “terrorist militia” in a rare statement. He condemned the Houthi attempt “to target Makkah”, calling it “a provocation to Muslims around the world”, according to the official Saudi news agency.
Saudi Arabia, Turkiye and Pakistan held military chiefs of staff talks on Friday with the objective to explore ways to assist Riyadh under the Makkah Defence Alliance.
The Turkish defence ministry published photographs of the three military officials in uniform, stating that the meeting had taken place, without disclosing where. (Riyadh obviously, the flight data is clear)
However, Turkiye’s Defence Ministry earlier said its Chief of General Staff General Selcuk Bayraktaroglu would travel to Saudi Arabia for the meeting.
The meeting took place against the backdrop of the kingdom being dragged into fresh fighting between the Houthis and the Yemeni government, with the former declaring a maritime blockade on Saudi Arabia and targeting its ships in the Red Sea. In recent weeks, Houthis have also carried out attacks in Saudi Arabia.
Earlier, the Foreign Office (FO) in Islamabad had shared that the three countries were mulling a military chiefs’ meeting to consider ways to assist Riyadh under the Makkah pact.
The FO statement came after Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister Ishaq Dar held a discussion on the defence pact with Saudi Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan bin Abdullah and Turkish Foreign Minister Hakan Fidan, on the sidelines of the 81st session of the United Nations General Assembly in New York.
In the statement, the FO noted that the tripartite agreement, signed on Aug 7, stipulated that an attack against any one of its parties should be considered an attack against all parties.
In their New York meeting, the foreign ministers of the three countries condemned in the “strongest terms the heinous attacks targeting the holy city of Makkah and civilian and economic facilities in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia”, the FO statement said.
At the same time, it added, the ministers “commended the vigilance of the Saudi armed forces and their ability to defend the kingdom’s security”.
“They reaffirmed the kingdom’s right to take such measures as it deems appropriate to defend its security, in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter.”
They further discussed the current situation in the region, underscoring the importance of upholding the principles of international law, good neighbourliness, mutual respect for the sovereignty of states, and non-interference in their internal affairs, as well as ensuring the security and freedom of navigation, the statement said.
Moreover, they reiterated their determination to work together towards achieving sustainable peace and stability in the region, support efforts towards de-escalation and encourage peaceful resolution to crises.
During the meeting, the ministers also reviewed progress made towards establishing the general secretariat and committees and working groups under the Makkah agreement, as well as preparations for the commencement of their work, the FO statement said.
Earlier in the day, Dar also posted on X: “Under the framework of the Makkah Joint Defence Agreement (MJDA), we reviewed progress towards establishing the institutional structures under the agreement and exchanged views on regional and international security issues.”
The Makkah Defence Alliance’s inaugural meeting was held on Aug 31, where officials from all member states met in Istanbul to establish the institutional structure of the alliance, and Pakistan was picked to head its secretariat in Riyadh. Retired Lieutenant General Nauman Mahmood has been appointed as the first secretary general.
Pakistan expresses solidarity with Saudi Arabia
A day earlier, Saudi Arabia intercepted six ballistic missiles fired by the Houthis after issuing warnings for several regions, including Makkah. This was the second time that a warning was issued for the holy city in the last two weeks.
As Yemen’s Houthi rebels continue to attack Saudi Arabia, Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR) Director General Lieutenant General Ahmed Sharif Chaudhry on Sept 18 said that Pakistan would go to “any extent” to defend Saudi Arabia, adding that Islamabad’s commitment to the kingdom’s security was “unconditional”.
On Wednesday, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif had also vowed to stand “shoulder to shoulder” with Saudi Arabia in safeguarding its sovereignty and security.
Meanwhile, Saudi Arabia’s King Salman this week denounced the Houthis as a “terrorist militia” in a rare statement. He condemned the Houthi attempt “to target Makkah”, calling it “a provocation to Muslims around the world”, according to the official Saudi news agency.
Watandar
Elite Member
Hundreds of mosques and religious processions have been attacked and thousands of Muslims have been murdered by terrorists in Pakistan in the last 20 years alone. It does not mean Pakistanis are turning away from Islam or Pakistan itself is responsible.
That's how ridiculous your comparison is.
Watandar
Elite Member
Few weeks ago the excuses were no joint commands, no interoperability of forces, no ratification by national parliaments, pre-existing conditions etc but now magically all those problems are solved!
They sure like to fly by the seat of their pants.
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hasn2009
Registered Member
What can Pakistan do to Yemen which Saudi+USA+Israel+UK and others combined weren't able to to achieve after 10s of thousands of air strikes and killing almost half a million poor Yemeni muslims?
If we are so powerful then why aren't we able to get rid of terrorism in our own country? Isn't Pakistan continuously listed among top 3 worst terrorism affected countries for decades now?
And a question for those who think this is a holy war for Pakistan, would Pakistan have helped Saudis if Pakistan didnt owe anything to Saudis financially and Pakistan was not stuck between IMF and Saudi-USA for monetary support? And if we have principals, why are we not helping Palestinians? Why are we not helping liberate Al-Aqsa? Is Al-Aqsa not the house of Allah?
What about Shehbaz Sharif singing praises for D. Trump as soon as he sees him? And why does Erodgan keep fueling Israel with oil and chest thumping at same time?
If we are so powerful then why aren't we able to get rid of terrorism in our own country? Isn't Pakistan continuously listed among top 3 worst terrorism affected countries for decades now?
And a question for those who think this is a holy war for Pakistan, would Pakistan have helped Saudis if Pakistan didnt owe anything to Saudis financially and Pakistan was not stuck between IMF and Saudi-USA for monetary support? And if we have principals, why are we not helping Palestinians? Why are we not helping liberate Al-Aqsa? Is Al-Aqsa not the house of Allah?
What about Shehbaz Sharif singing praises for D. Trump as soon as he sees him? And why does Erodgan keep fueling Israel with oil and chest thumping at same time?
mythbuster
Trusted Member
Or it could be just a dick measuring contest and Pakistan is flaunting his in the middle east...is this unprincipled by your standards ?
shapurzolaktaf
SpeedLimited
Although Palestine has no strategic value, it is a compass for many to see which countries are on the right side of the history. In Europe it's only Spain and in lesser degree one or two other countries.
In the world it's Iran, who suffers major attacks and sanctions because of its support for Palestinians.
A normalization proces, UAE-Bahraini-Moroccan style (even Turkey recognizes Israel), would see Israel as the owners of Quds, Golan Heights and end the pressure on Iran.
So yeah it remains relevant to mention Palestine and we dont care about your Ale-Saud fetish and hurt feelings, just as we dont care about what the corrupt land seller Mahmoud Abbas says about Iran.
