Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[BananaRepublic]

they act like imposing a naval and air blockade is not an act of war so they don't need to respond ...

ironically, during the first month of the war, Iran successfully closed the Strait and only Iran was exporting oil. now the US successfully managed to reverse the situation, where everyone else is exporting oil except for Iran

Given the current extortionate prices at the pump and free falling SPR - one explanation is that lot of Iranian oil is getting out along with some of the others.

Trump, being an egomaniac, knows this, but the optics of Iran not being able to export is more important than reality.

Having said that, whilst I can prove the extortionate prices at the pump. I can only speculate exactly how much of Iranian oil is getting out.

We will have to wait a few years to find out the truth.

 

[HAIDER]

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

Bro, been saying this for months.

Iran needs to slow bleed US.

Trump wants to escalate because he wants an excuse to use nukes.

Given the mullahs flunked on nukes.

IRGC has no choice but to slow bleed USA.

Escalation would also hurt innocent Muslims living under zio sheikhdoms.

No Muslim should wish for escalation.

I agree with you escalation would hurt both Iranians and PGCCs. The best way to prevent this is the current proposal mediated by Qatar and Pakistan. The challenge is how can they get pass Trump who has Netanyahu and his fellow Neocons blocking everything?

 

[BananaRepublic]

I agree with you escalation would hurt both Iranians and PGCCs. The best way to prevent this is the current proposal mediated by Qatar and Pakistan. The challenge is how can they get pass Trump who has Netanyahu and his fellow Neocons blocking everything?

The current proposal let’s Trump and USA off the hook. It’s a bad deal because it doesn’t include the right for Iran to develop nukes.

Iran needs nukes to prevent civilisational destruction by USA.

IRGC needs to slow bleed USA until they run away like the cowards they are.

 

[PakAl]

Iran has a decision to make. A real decision.

Iran's approach to Trump and USA has to date failed, to build in deterrence in Trumps mind or the military at large. The fact that Trump has so openly dismissed Iran's offer means, that in Trumps mind, the cost to the USA and its military has been very low and tolerable. That is why he feels confident to go back in when it suits him. This policy that Iran has adopted of not wanting to cause significant military pain on the USA has not worked and has cost Iran a lot of ammunition in the theatrical show that Iran's response has been to date.

Iran needs to rethink its approach, or it needs to accept for ever being mowed by the USA and Israel at their whim.

Does Iran have actually military and political goals, can those goals be achievable by Iran's military and if so, can it independently achieve them outside of whatever decision Israel and Trump decide to make about Iran?

It may be a fact that this is the most Iranian military can do, they have no airforce, navy, nukes, only drones and missiles which cause minimum damage, I am talking in terms of striking fear in to the enemies hearts. Iran can bomb GCC but this favours Usa and Israel since Iran is creating long term enemity and possible war with the arab GCC. Trump in his mind has got Iran where he wants them to be, sitting duck and not able to retaliate in a way that would deter Usa Israel aggression. Also a nation never tolerates attacks on its territory so if Iran had the secret weapons which their generals continue to claim, they would already have used them to show Usa and Israel that they will not be able to harm an inch of Iran without consequence but so far nothing. Iranian leadership needs to accept their 40 years of policy has failed. Trump and Netanyahu are waiting for the regime to collapse, this will happen when the people of Iran will of had enough, the rising prices, economic destruction, military destruction will harm Iran, the same planned worked in Syria.

 

[BananaRepublic]

It may be a fact that this is the most Iranian military can do, they have no airforce, navy, nukes, only drones and missiles which cause minimum damage, I am talking in terms of striking fear in to the enemies hearts. Iran can bomb GCC but this favours Usa and Israel since Iran is creating long term enemity and possible war with the arab GCC. Trump in his mind has got Iran where he wants them to be, sitting duck and not able to retaliate in a way that would deter Usa Israel aggression. Also a nation never tolerates attacks on its territory so if Iran had the secret weapons which their generals continue to claim, they would already have used them to show Usa and Israel that they will not be able to harm an inch of Iran without consequence but so far nothing. Iranian leadership needs to accept their 40 years of policy has failed. Trump and Netanyahu are waiting for the regime to collapse, this will happen when the people of Iran will of had enough, the rising prices, economic destruction, military destruction will harm Iran, the same planned worked in Syria.

Cannot believe you are comparing the basket case that is Syria with a functioning state like Iran.

What a joke!

 

[BHAN85]

Let Iranians living in Iran decide Iran’s fate.

I am not Iranian.

I just give my two cents because Iranians are fellow Muslims.

I am not here to speak for Iranians.

I am here to speak with Iranians.

yeah your speech remind us to arab spring deceit.

that freedom speech bullshit only brings chaos, killing, war and domination of the stronger, like happened in Libya.

No, thanks.

No way of articulate that "Iran people speak" without a state, and if you destroy Iran state, we know already consequences.

@retaxis speech is what must remember all the dumbfucks who trust in USA for liberate their country.

But I think only mentally retarded Iranian lower than 50 IQ must buy that bullshit after Minab school bombing.

 

[retaxis]

destruction of GCC oil infrastructure is the destruction of petrodollar and all the consequences that follow. That is why US is so scared to bomb Iranian oil infra because they know it would end badly for the US.

 

[PakAl]

Cannot believe you are comparing the basket case that is Syria with a functioning state like Iran.

What a joke!

It took a decade for the same Syrian regime to fall, all terrorists were backed by Saudia, Turkey, Europe, Usa and Israel but still took a decade, so definitely not a basket state.

 

[Flotilla]

they have no airforce, navy, nukes, only drones and missiles which cause minimum damage, I am talking in terms of striking fear in to the enemies hearts. Iran can bomb GCC but this favours Usa and Israel since Iran is creating long term enemity and possible war with the arab GCC

In fact missiles wiped out americans from GCC countries.
Missiles not only wiped even THAADS batteries, also long range missiles and any meaningful USAF and US Navy 5 fleet in Bahréin.

 

[PakAl]

destruction of GCC oil infrastructure is the destruction of petrodollar and all the consequences that follow. That is why US is so scared to bomb Iranian oil infra because they know it would end badly for the US.

Must be a reason for it or else Usa and Israel can easily destroy Iranian oil and gas infrastructure, ports, terminals, gas oil fields etc. I thought it maybe Chinese pressure, Iran is a member of SCO and BRICS.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Must be a reason for it or else Usa and Israel can easily destroy Iranian oil and gas infrastructure, ports, terminals, gas oil fields etc. I thought it maybe Chinese pressure, Iran is a member of SCO and BRICS.

Do you guys think the current Chinese posture towards Zio-US war against Iran is like the US posture towards the NAZIs.

US as rising power could see the benefit of Nazis weakening European colonial powers. Watching from the sidelines for years.

Is China doing the same and will move for the kill once both sides are exhausted?

 

[PakFactor]

Do you guys think the current Chinese posture towards Zio-US war against Iran is like the US posture towards the NAZIs.

US as rising power could see the benefit of Nazis weakening European colonial powers. Watching from the sidelines for years.

Is China doing the same and will move for the kill once both sides are exhausted?

Any prudent person would do that, and it's the optimal strategy.

In the animal kingdom, when two mountain goats fight, the puma waits.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

 

[lightning f57]

Iran has a decision to make. A real decision.

Iran's approach to Trump and USA has to date failed, to build in deterrence in Trumps mind or the military at large. The fact that Trump has so openly dismissed Iran's offer means, that in Trumps mind, the cost to the USA and its military has been very low and tolerable. That is why he feels confident to go back in when it suits him. This policy that Iran has adopted of not wanting to cause significant military pain on the USA has not worked and has cost Iran a lot of ammunition in the theatrical show that Iran's response has been to date.

Iran needs to rethink its approach, or it needs to accept for ever being mowed by the USA and Israel at their whim.

Does Iran have actually military and political goals, can those goals be achievable by Iran's military and if so, can it independently achieve them outside of whatever decision Israel and Trump decide to make about Iran?

This whole saga has started to remind me abit of the carthagian wars, although not exactly the same but Hannibals mistake in the end cost him his whole nation. The iranian leaderships lacklustre flapping back and forth, starting to seem to not have a coherent strategy has now emboldened trump.

For me the grind (economic pain) and low intensity conflict was always the worst case scenario for Iran, trump has realised this and put the whole house on this strategy.

Its starting to seem momentum is shifting to US and its GCC allies.