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[Yasser76]

A great power dream? Based on reality, it is important to truly find one's own positioning

Let them have their fun, they post so much stuff that never goes on to be reality, they mistake activity for progress, all in the meantime 50 old Jaguars and 40 year old Migs continue to fly

 

[Kaveri Engine]

Let them have their fun, they post so much stuff that never goes on to be reality, they mistake activity for progress, all in the meantime 50 old Jaguars and 40 year old Migs continue to fly

Initially, Tejas was intended to replace MiG-21. However, with the introduction of the Mk1A, IAF recognised its potential to replace MiG-27 and Jaguar as well. The reason the IAF continues to operate and upgrade the Jaguar is its unique low-level penetration capability. It can fly extremely close to the ground, allowing it to approach targets near the Pakistani border while reducing its exposure to enemy radar detection. No other fighter, including Tejas, can replicate this capability to the same extent.

The aircraft that could eventually replace Jaguar's specialised strike and bomber role is the Ghatak UCAV, a stealth unmanned combat aircraft powered by the dry variant of the Kaveri engine—the same engine technology originally developed for the Tejas Mk1A. Over the next 8–10 years, if BrahMos Aerospace successfully develops Kaveri 2.0 with wet thrust, it could potentially power much larger bomber platforms with payload capacities comparable to the B-52 and significantly greater operational range.


A long-range stealth bomber capable of carrying heavy bunker-busting munitions would give India greater flexibility in targeting deeply buried and hardened military infrastructure, including Pakistan's nuclear-related facilities. Such a capability is relevant to India's first-strike options. While India has also developed the Agni-P variant for hardened-target missions, a stealth bomber would offer additional flexibility in terms of payload, deployment options and mission profiles.

 

[Kaveri Engine]

The delay in Tejas Mk1A deliveries may turn out to be a blessing in disguise because it is increasingly becoming clear that the aircraft could be delivered with the indigenous UTTAM AESA radar from the very beginning. Initially, the plan was to equip the first 83 Tejas Mk1A aircraft with the Israeli ELTA-2052 radar and the remaining 97 with UTTAM AESA. Now, reports suggest that the 41st aircraft will feature UTTAM. However, I believe even the first 40 aircraft could eventually be delivered with UTTAM AESA, given that the delays have already occurred and the indigenous radar is now entering production.

Astra Microwave Bags ₹2,205 Crore HAL Uttam Radar Order

Astra Microwave Products has secured a ₹2,205.23 crore order from HAL to supply key components for the indigenous Uttam AESA Radar.

www.defencexp.com

 

[Yasser76]

Initially, Tejas was intended to replace MiG-21. However, with the introduction of the Mk1A, IAF recognised its potential to replace MiG-27 and Jaguar as well. The reason the IAF continues to operate and upgrade the Jaguar is its unique low-level penetration capability. It can fly extremely close to the ground, allowing it to approach targets near the Pakistani border while reducing its exposure to enemy radar detection. No other fighter, including Tejas, can replicate this capability to the same extent.

The aircraft that could eventually replace Jaguar's specialised strike and bomber role is the Ghatak UCAV, a stealth unmanned combat aircraft powered by the dry variant of the Kaveri engine—the same engine technology originally developed for the Tejas Mk1A. Over the next 8–10 years, if BrahMos Aerospace successfully develops Kaveri 2.0 with wet thrust, it could potentially power much larger bomber platforms with payload capacities comparable to the B-52 and significantly greater operational range.
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A long-range stealth bomber capable of carrying heavy bunker-busting munitions would give India greater flexibility in targeting deeply buried and hardened military infrastructure, including Pakistan's nuclear-related facilities. Such a capability is relevant to India's first-strike options. While India has also developed the Agni-P variant for hardened-target missions, a stealth bomber would offer additional flexibility in terms of payload, deployment options and mission profiles.
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Sorry, this argument worked in 70s and 80s, not know.

Anything flying low is dead meat. All systems designed to take down missiles and drones will find ancient slow flying Jags easier then target practice.
Add to that the massively underpowered engine and lack of modern defensive suite and the great thing about the Jag is that is will send many IAF pilots straight to death.

There is a very good reason IAF have never used it offensively against Pak....ever....

 

[Kaveri Engine]

Sorry, this argument worked in 70s and 80s, not know.

Anything flying low is dead meat. All systems designed to take down missiles and drones will find ancient slow flying Jags easier then target practice.
Add to that the massively underpowered engine and lack of modern defensive suite and the great thing about the Jag is that is will send many IAF pilots straight to death.

There is a very good reason IAF have never used it offensively against Pak....ever....

Jaguars were used during Operation Sindoor to fire missiles on pakistan (i dont remember the exact name of the missile) and Brahmos also flies low hugging the terrain to avoid getting detected on Radars and shot down

The HTFE-25/40 engines HAL developed is to replace the existing adour engines in Jaguar only few people know that Indian built Jaguar also has an AESA Radar

 

[Kaveri Engine]

Kaveri Dry Engine has successfully completed flight trials on IL-76 flying test bed in Russia

India’s Kaveri Engine Is Back? 48.5kN Test Opens Ghatak, Tejas Sport Door After Decades Of Failure | TOI Shorts - Times of India Videos

Once written off as a failure, India’s Kaveri engine may be getting a second life. Its dry derivative has reportedly produced 48.5kN of thrust in Russian trials, opening a potential role in India’s Ghatak stealth UCAV. Could Tejas Sport eventually give Kaveri another route back into a fighter...

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Final Certification From CEMILAC is just a formality​

its not producing 55kn Thrust but 48.5KN thrust which is more than enough for Fighter Jet Size drones

 

[Yasser76]

Jaguars were used during Operation Sindoor to fire missiles on pakistan (i dont remember the exact name of the missile) and Brahmos also flies low hugging the terrain to avoid getting detected on Radars and shot down

The HTFE-25/40 engines HAL developed is to replace the existing adour engines in Jaguar only few people know that Indian built Jaguar also has an AESA Radar

Link for Jaguars used in Tandoor?
Bhamos missile has a speed of Mach 3, you know that right? Jaguar cannot even go supersonic with a warload (thing can barely take off in high tempratures!)

New Indian engine for Jagaur? Are you sure?

Seems like every post of yours is utter bullsh*t

 

[lightoftruth]

 

[Oscar]

Going from Aero India in 2025 where it was to fly in Late 2025 or early 2026 - it is now at Sept 2027.. I certainly doubt it.. maybe 2028.

Then for AMCA - the claim is contradictory - they havent signed the contract yet which is waiting for BIDS - that means starting the process to get a conglomerate or company up and running which .. lol.. takes how long in Indian government procurement?

Then, from contract signing they say it is 30 months.
So in what will basically be 15 months - we are expected to believe that the Indian defense industry and procurement system with its well known history is going to set up a institution to build, integrate, ground test and clear a brand new design to fly?

 

[moonaman.varavayi]

Going from Aero India in 2025 where it was to fly in Late 2025 or early 2026 - it is now at Sept 2027.. I certainly doubt it.. maybe 2028.

Then for AMCA - the claim is contradictory - they havent signed the contract yet which is waiting for BIDS - that means starting the process to get a conglomerate or company up and running which .. lol.. takes how long in Indian government procurement?

Then, from contract signing they say it is 30 months.
So in what will basically be 15 months - we are expected to believe that the Indian defense industry and procurement system with its well known history is going to set up a institution to build, integrate, ground test and clear a brand new design to fly?

The AMCA program has just suffered a very serious setback. I don't know if it has been reported in the news yet, but it appears that HAL was taking everybody for a ride with their claims.

India will have to procure 5th gen fighters from abroad or risk being at a serious disadvantage. (AMCA will be needed too, but it won't be here in time.)

 

[arshu]

The AMCA program has just suffered a very serious setback. I don't know if it has been reported in the news yet, but it appears that HAL was taking everybody for a ride with their claims.

India will have to procure 5th gen fighters from abroad or risk being at a serious disadvantage. (AMCA will be needed too, but it won't be here in time.)

It is always beuracracy , those IAS officers think they are better than engineers , knows nothing about engineering just passes files from table to table .

 

[Gregor Clegane]

Pakistani OSINT claims of hit on Ambala radar during 2025 conflict completely debunked.

The radar can be seen here on May 11, 2025 showing it was just relocated.



Additionally in May 11 imagery many objects are appearing blacker solely because of different color contrasts and lenses of both imagery, as they were taken by different satellites with different cameras

Example below:
May 11 2025



April 2025:


As one can see same objects in May 11 object are all having a significantly darker/blacker hue due to differing lenses.

 

[Yasser76]

Come Sep 2027 we all know what will happen right?

"US did not supply in cockpit ashtray saaaar!! Not the fault of HAL! Promiser now it will fly in 2038!"

 

[lightoftruth]

Going from Aero India in 2025 where it was to fly in Late 2025 or early 2026 - it is now at Sept 2027.. I certainly doubt it.. maybe 2028.

Then for AMCA - the claim is contradictory - they havent signed the contract yet which is waiting for BIDS - that means starting the process to get a conglomerate or company up and running which .. lol.. takes how long in Indian government procurement?

Then, from contract signing they say it is 30 months.
So in what will basically be 15 months - we are expected to believe that the Indian defense industry and procurement system with its well known history is going to set up a institution to build, integrate, ground test and clear a brand new design to fly?

Nobody believes those timelines, but coming from defence sec things changes.

He was not prompted for it, he deliberately gave them in.

 

[Kaveri Engine]

It’s now official: Russian trials for the Kaveri engine are over. The engine has been certified to power India’s new stealth Bomber Ghatak UCAV