Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[RzA]

Aliyev the buffoon will be dealt with in time. For now let's focus on what is important

We can't even keep a tight grip on a narrow channel that's 21 miles long and here you are plotting against Azerbaijan lol.

Poz bazi dar nayar

 

[lightning f57]

The SPR release for weeks has been 300-600K barrels per week. You think the global oil market is being propped up by these tiny SPR releases? Why don’t you bother reading the data?

The SPR theory was only going to work if flows out of strait remained below 10MBPD. At current rate the shortfall out of Hormuz is a few mbpd (if that) and China’s lack of imports has more than offset that.

It’s a global refinery problem right now. But even then it hasn’t become severe enough for the West to feel pain. In May/June it was severe enough that they signed the MoU. Now they aren’t nearly as much worried.

Iranian society is suffering immensely right now under this blockade. But of course people on this board ignore that and only focus on elevated fuel prices in Europe and America as proof strategy is working. Which is a false sense of winning.

If I was a betting man, id say Iran is in collusion with some GCC/Iraq which is allowing some Iranian oil to also leave. Otherwise current Iranian strategy of flip flop with SOH has failed.

 

[Shags202]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/us-removes-all-bombers-from-british-air-base-targeted-by-a-suspected-terror-attack/

So again no one actually knows the details of this but what we do know few guys were sent home on bail I’m seriously confused here so let’s hypothetically these guys were part of a Iranian or Russian plot to hit these bombers let’s say with drones with some kind of explosive attached to it(me just throwing a plausible scenario with the age of drones and what we have seen in the past)why would British intelligence let out active threat back on to British streets I’m going to say some guys got paid to take some pictures or just a nothing burger event

 

[retaxis]

Iran bargaining chip depends on how successful houthis are at striking saudi oil facilities and holding onto territory.

Iran should also do pre emptive attack as US is reloading and gearing up for another round of bombings. Right now would catch US off guard and hurt Trump in mid cycle elections

 

[retaxis]

If I was a betting man, id say Iran is in collusion with some GCC/Iraq which is allowing some Iranian oil to also leave. Otherwise current Iranian strategy of flip flop with SOH has failed.

Iran is still making money selling oil and resources on the market. Countries who have resources like minerals, oil, gas, beef etc are much more resilient to currency fluctuations as they have bartering.

Don't see Iran collapsing as long as they have control over their resources.

 

[HAIDER]

Iran bargaining chip depends on how successful houthis are at striking saudi oil facilities and holding onto territory.

Iran should also do pre emptive attack as US is reloading and gearing up for another round of bombings. Right now would catch US off guard and hurt Trump in mid cycle elections

I doubt , Houthi in Iranian control. That movement is indigenous run by very educated people. Check the background of this movement.

 

[Shags202]

I doubt , Houthi in Iranian control. That movement is indigenous run by very educated people. Check the background of this movement.

I don’t think they’re pulling the overall strings but planning intelligence and weapons are Iranian what Houthis decide to do with what they’re given is up to them

 

[HAIDER]

I don’t think they’re pulling the overall strings but planning intelligence and weapons are Iranian what Houthis decide to do with what they’re given is up to them

They have stack of Russian weapons and they are very smart people, improvised R73 and many more, and knock down F15 few years back.

Houthis unveil Russian air-to-air missiles as SAMs

The Yemeni rebel group Ansar Allah (the Houthis) unveiled improvised surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) it claims have made a significant impact in its war against the...

www.janes.com

Here’s how Houthis were able to deploy R-27/R-60/R-73/R-77 Air-to-Air Missiles as SAMs against Saudi-led Coalition Aircraft​

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-how-houthis-were-able-to-deploy-r-27-r-60-r-73-r-77-air-to-air-missiles-as-sams-against-saudi-led-coalition-aircraft/

A 2018 view

 

[Lulldapull]

or a 3rd option. Iranian nationalist government, Iran, its economy, people come first, Iran resets its relations with the Usa/Arab world, IRGC is finished and Ayatullahs only kept as political heads, power is given to nationalist military and reformist. Iran policy is core interests first, and trade, economy, so this means agree on a united Palestine, Lebanon, Yemen policy with the Turks and Arabs. So support for Hizbollah, Houthis and Iraqi militias will end, policy with Turkey, Iraq, Syria to keep Kurds in check. Hizbollah, Houthis, Iraqi militias will work with their governments.
Iran will withraw to its own borders, rebuild its economy and military. People mention this less but GCC are lobbying Usa to finish Iran, aswell as Israel.

The problem is Israel will then find other ways to cause problems ie bomb and invade South Lebanon and continue involvement in Syria but Iran policy should align with Turkey and GCC, if they only give statements then do the same. Recently Turkey and Saudia found ways to align their interests so in Syria it was joint effort and joint control of the Syrian government, the same policy can be applied in Libya, Yemen, Lebanon and elsewhere. This is if Saudia agrees to work with Iran.

This UK muzz-Lim pan-Islamist agenda is bankrupt bhai.

Iran alone far stronger than the rest of them 56 so called muzz-Lim outfits put together no?

All them 56 outfit muzz-Lims on Zio Oligarch life support no?

So what is your point bhai?

Were we born yesterday?

 

[r3alist]

Despite the black gold gifted to them by god…

They have no agency?

You made my point, bro!

Do they also not have the agency to treat fellow Muslims from poorer countries as scums?

Let’s be honest here! Those same Muslims get treated better in the west.

Hence my point about the “real enemies”.

They don't have agency over the oil production capability, over distribution and most importantly settlement currency

The rest I don't quarrel with, it's not black and white , you are correct there

My basic instinct is preserve what society you have Vs Libya or Syria.

Saudi Pakistan iran turkey are frontline islamic countries, with no disrespect to Libya Syria and Iraq

If these destabilise it will have domino

 

[Shags202]

They have stack of Russian weapons and they are very smart people, improvised R73 and many more, and knock down F15 few years back.

Houthis unveil Russian air-to-air missiles as SAMs

The Yemeni rebel group Ansar Allah (the Houthis) unveiled improvised surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) it claims have made a significant impact in its war against the...

www.janes.com

Here’s how Houthis were able to deploy R-27/R-60/R-73/R-77 Air-to-Air Missiles as SAMs against Saudi-led Coalition Aircraft​

https://theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-how-houthis-were-able-to-deploy-r-27-r-60-r-73-r-77-air-to-air-missiles-as-sams-against-saudi-led-coalition-aircraft/

A 2018 view

Yeah but many weapons are of Iranian origin today not saying they don’t have their own indigenous weapons abilities but like Hamas and Hezbollah it all starts off with Iran

 

[Lulldapull]

I doubt , Houthi in Iranian control. That movement is indigenous run by very educated people. Check the background of this movement.

Haidar bhai da biggest issue now is that da conventional option against Iran is toothless no?

This is the real drama.

Conventionally Iran can't be beat.

Ab kya karain?

Throwing Pakistan, which imports 100% of its energy from da PG, or that other chummppu AL-Turkiya into this mix is just a non starter no?

What trump is doing here is asking Iran to spare these colluddzz in da name of empire.

Iran got all da cards......pretty obvious to anyone with some understanding of da region.

We will collapse as a country if we got on da wrong side of Iran.