Federal cabinet gives nod to imposition of emergency in KP; summary sent to president

[Blain2]

Punjab also wasn't the Frontline against Soviet Jihad where entire populations were indoctrinated. Ye kyun mention krna bhool jaate ho aap?

To a hammer everything looks like a nail

It matters little. Recruits were taken from Punjab, Sind, and obviously NWFP.

Second, the epicenter remains KPK, thus the action and coordination needed.

 

[hydrabadi_arab]

It's Pakistan Army* boy. Take a walk, lagta hay taqleef Boht hui hay. Balochistan khusbhu Laga Kay to nahi chalay gye?

You bragged about punjabis getting killed in Balochistan when your provinces are hell hole for locals. 99.999% of civilians killed in in KpK balochistan are baloch pashtuns. But a terrorist ass like yours will enjoy some punjabi labourer killing and turn blind eye to their own.

 

[SteppeWolff]

So what is the state to do?

To have military operations with proper planning so little babies and kids don't die in camps in frigid winters in snow?

The state's poor planning killed those kids of Tirah. Why act surprised when Tribals resist Ops?

 

[SteppeWolff]

It matters little. Recruits were taken from Punjab, Sind, and obviously NWFP.

Second, the epicenter remains KPK, thus the action and coordination needed.

No don't skirt over it. It doesn't matter little. The state willingly INDOCTRINATED entire frontier belt. Why do you disregard it? Is this against the current narrative? Punjab and Sind didn't even have the fraction of that scale. So no shit they have a radicalism issue cause the state FAILED to rehabilitate them.

Do Ops, that's what they have been doing for last 20 years without a result. But at least be professional and have some planning so kids don't die in snow?

 

[SteppeWolff]

You bragged about punjabis getting killed in Balochistan when your provinces are hell hole for locals. 99.999% of civilians killed in in KpK balochistan are baloch pashtuns. But a terrorist ass like yours will enjoy some punjabi labourer killing and turn blind eye to their own.

Bring evidence where I bragged over anyone getting killed regardless of ethnicities?

You are a kuni bacha. I am alhamdulliah a patriotic Pakistani unlike you. Stop bitching and get some testosterone boosters.

 

[Goenitz]

A 4 year old child also died in the TTP suicide bombing at the Police Line masjid.

So what is the state to do? Surrender to Mullah Akhunzada, hand over KPK to be run by TTP? I have maintained, PTI tried to appease them. TTP Is something that cannot be appeased. It is an expansive, malignant tumor by its very nature.

Just like TTP mass murdered ANP leadership, if things are let to run their course, the exact same will happen with the PTI leadership.

So?
Do you think I condone that?
One is terrorism, and the other is a careless and apathetic approach to forcefully evacuating a population.
Again, GHQ was not serious about terrorism. KPK was spending 8% of funds on police and 5.6% on the judiciary (highest among provinces). Lashkars are supporting the fight against terrorism left and right and very effectively.
Still, GHQ enforced an emergency, which is not winning hearts and minds. KPK paid for the equipment, but it was not delivered. This shows GHQ's lack of seriousness through KPK's lens.

 

[Cipher212]

Fair critique but I think a bit laced with your political frustration. Why has all of this become an issue for you now only? Plot conversations were going on in the GHQ in the 80s and 90s. They are part of the compensation structure that the government itself has put in place.

When I used the Venn diagram analogy, the point I was making is that not the entire army is involved in politics. Its the usual ISI internal wing involved in political engineering and the people at the very top orchestrating. The vast majority of the officers run away from this (as you yourself say "woh tang hain").

I do wish things were more transparent and we have less contention amongst the masses but unfortunately I don't see any resolution in the near term.

Obviously its part of my political frustration but also, the first time I was legal to vote was 2018, it took me time to learn these things, they happened before my time and the 'official' Pak Studies history is very different from the real one.

I've been through the same pipeline, I thought the military for all its faults is at least sincere in the country thus the ends justify the means. I even bought into the whole 'Imran + Army hybrid is better than PMLN cause muh corruption'. Of course, reality is not so simple.

But as I grow older and I have entered professional life, I come to know that there is a reason why companies, organisations, institutions and countries are structured the way they are. There is a reason that functioning countries don't let their (often much more powerful) militaries run the country.

Yes, vast majority of officers 'run away' but when the order comes, they follow it. If a fauji was given order to storm parliament then he simply does it. He can runaway in spirit but reluctantly he will do it, because that is what it means to be a soldier. It is hammered into them from day one.

I also don't agree with 'its the usual ISI wing doing all this'. Pakistan Army has become a company, it doesn't matter Asim Munir, Faiz Hameed, Bajwa, Musharaf, Raheel, Kayani, Akhtar, Zia etc etc. They are all brought up on the same values, and they ALL resort to imposing rule through gun one way or another. Some are a bit more subtle with it like Munir, others like to jump over the walls of parliament. It's all the same


What is happening to PTI may be milder than what happened to people before it, but right now its PTI that is facing the chopping block. In about 10-15 years when Khan is dead I'll probably be backing some other underdog.

And how this relates to the current topic is very simple. We are being told that governer raj is being implemented because PTI is not just stopping operation, but it is in fact part of TTP somehow. Not only that, Sohail Afridi was secretly Heisenberg from Breaking Bad.

This is setting a dangerous precedent. I can't believe what my own country's fauj is saying anymore because I KNOW that there is a political angle involved. How can I be sure that they are saying the truth and not just doing this to get rid of last bit of resistance from Khan's main base of operation?

A future resolution at least remains possible if you have a civilian setup because then there can be chance for constant change. Don't like PTI? vote them out. Don't like the next party? vote them out. With the military you get no such luxury. Its them and their ways forever.

 

[prothought]

Punjab never had Random ass Ops like recently in Tirah where entire villages were uprooted deep in winters and knee deep snow. Jinkay bachay boorhay baraf may Jammay aur zaleel hogye wo to iqhtilaaf rakhain gay no?

There is a reason for that. Punjab police and CTD in Punjab are doing their job very well. The Punjab government provides these institutions with all kinds of support because they are actually the first defense line against the terrorists. So, terrorists have not been able to get their roots in Punjab - not even the districts bordering KPK and Balochistan.

That's why only a few 'Random ass Ops' were conducted in Punjab.

The KPK government, on the other hand, miserably failed to perform its duties of protecting the life and property of the people of KPK.

Terrorists have heavily penetrated in at least 12 districts and are trying to spread their tentacles in other districts too. Sohail Afridi's government was effectively facilitating the terrorists by rendering the CTD and police in KPK ineffective in taking on the terrorists.

 

[SteppeWolff]

There is a reason for that. Punjab police and CTD in Punjab are doing their job very well. The Punjab government provides these institutions with all kinds of support because they are actually the first defense line against the terrorists. So, terrorists have not been able to get their roots in Punjab - not even the districts bordering KPK and Balochistan.

That's why only a few 'Random ass Ops' were conducted in Punjab.

The KPK government, on the other hand, miserably failed to perform its duties of protecting the life and property of the people of KPK.

Terrorists have heavily penetrated in at least 12 districts and are trying to spread their tentacles in other districts too. Sohail Afridi's government was effectively facilitating the terrorists by rendering the CTD and police in KPK ineffective in taking on the terrorists.

Is it KPK Police's job to man borders so TTP doesn't enter and exit from the border after doing their hit and runs or suicide attacks in tribal border regions?

Bhai koi aqal ki BAAT kro. Nahi krni to sit this one out. Don't compare apples with oranges.

 

[SteppeWolff]

SAAR PASHTUNS AREN'T DOING ENOUGH

 

[prothought]

You bragged about punjabis getting killed in Balochistan when your provinces are hell hole for locals. 99.999% of civilians killed in in KpK balochistan are baloch pashtuns. But a terrorist ass like yours will enjoy some punjabi labourer killing and turn blind eye to their own.

The terrorist Pashtuns from Afghanistan would come into Pakistan (for getting dollars from the enemies of Pakistan) and explode themselves mostly in KPK killing scores of innocent Pakistani Pashtuns in the name of Islam.

While the people of KPK understood the evil game of the enemy (that's why they took up the arms against those terrorists), there are many fools, who got blindfolded by their hate towards Pak military, insanely support those terrorists.

 

[Blain2]

To have military operations with proper planning so little babies and kids don't die in camps in frigid winters in snow?

The state's poor planning killed those kids of Tirah. Why act surprised when Tribals resist Ops?

Ok, I grant the state needs to do a better job of handling relief and proper planning for the IDPs.

However, who will own up to why TTP terrorists are finding respite and basing in KPK? These bastards are attacking poor Pakhtuns inside of KPK. In the latest Kohat attack, 50% of the total of 31 dead were police, rest civilians. However, 100% of the dead and also, 100% of the over 100+ injured were our KPK people.

Let's have a bit of perspective. State's poor planning led to a few kids dying. Criminal neglect, I grant that. That is greatly different than 31 dead, over 100 grievously injured in one single attack (out of a total of 295 total attacks in 2026) because some bastards are abetting these Afghan terrorists, which is UNFORGIVABLE.

 

[prothought]

I hope the state of Pakistan cracks down heavily on those goons who use the old and unrelated videos taken from elsewhere in world and recycle/spread those videos (labeling them being from Pakistan) to instigate civil unrest or even terrorist attacks on Pakistan's security forces.

Such an effort is a serious crime against the state of Pakistan. The offenders must be dealt with iron fist. These criminals are willingly playing in the hands of Pakistan's enemies and so must be treated as enemies.

 

[Blain2]

SAAR PASHTUNS AREN'T DOING ENOUGH

Most Pakhtuns are and have absolutely given it all (the brave sons of the soil who died in the Kohat attack are just a few that I have mentioned). However, some are abetting those that are coming from across the border to cause mayhem (295 attacks in 2026 alone!). Is that not a fact?

 

[prothought]

Is it KPK Police's job to man borders so TTP doesn't enter and exit from the border after doing their hit and runs or suicide attacks in tribal border regions?

Bhai koi aqal ki BAAT kro. Nahi krni to sit this one out. Don't compare apples with oranges.

Use your brain, kid. Securing borders 100% is not possible even for the US. Security at the borders is always a best-effort defense that stills leaves some possibility of terrorists sneaking into the country.

The local police and CTD operators are supposed to deal with the terrorists who somehow get into Pakistan. The KPK provincial government effectively stalled the CTD and tied the hands of police to leave them at the mercy of terrorists.

Tumhari aqal to charne gai hoi hay.