Azerbaijan’s school hijab ban: What’s behind it, and what’s next?

[El Sidd]

If I am present there physically, by physical intervention. If I read it somewhere and can write about it, by writing.

Fridays are normally busy in Pakistan listening to sermons full of contradictions.

Don't go there if you don't like how they run things there.

Not sure the world is ready to listen to Pakistanis on how to treat women. and i am sure hell determined that it doesn't reach that stage.

 

[I*R*A]

Don't go there if you don't like how they run things there.

Not sure the world is ready to listen to Pakistanis on how to treat women. and i am sure hell determined that it doesn't reach that stage.

I was born free and bow to ALLAH only, will go any place I can.

وَلِلَّهِ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ ۗ

The beauty of shedding preconceived beliefs is, you feel free, secure and clear as if some burden has been lifted.

Someday they will. Overall we have much more respect for women in our culture and country then I have seen in places I have been to.

 

[El Sidd]

I was born free and bow to ALLAH only, will go any place I can.

وَلِلَّهِ مُلْكُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ ۗ

The beauty of shedding preconceived beliefs is, you feel free, secure and clear as if some burden has been lifted.

Someday they will. Overall we have much more respect for women in our culture and country then I have seen in places I have been to.

But why go explicitly looking for fitna fassad?

Really? We, Pakistanis, which poppy seed local delicacy you enjoyed this morning to be so under the influence.

 

[Master Chief]

You are Wahabi and not Shia. Please refrain from commenting upon other sects.

I do enjoy your mixed bag of divinely sanctioned edicts and rulings. Do me next. What am I?

 

[Master Chief]

A fundamental principle of modern secular societies is religious freedom—specifically, the right of citizens to choose their own religious beliefs.

However, there are certain prerequisites:
1. The religion must be legal. This refers to the state's general religious policies rather than regulations targeting any specific religion.
2. Citizens must possess full civic autonomy before they can independently choose a religion.
This gives rise to an issue: minors do not possess full civic autonomy. Consequently, their religious beliefs are effectively determined by their families, environments, or guardians, rather than by their own choices.
For this reason, in many secular nations, the involvement of minors in religious matters is strictly restricted or even prohibited.

If we view the hijab as a religious matter for Muslims, then it does indeed present an issue in schools within secular states, given that the individuals involved are minors.

But,
if a country were to ban only Muslims from wearing the hijab while permitting other religious symbols among minors, then I would agree that this constitutes textbook religious discrimination.
But if they were to simultaneously prohibit all minors from engaging in religious practices, then I—as a secularist—would find that acceptable.

Very logical post!

This is why Hindustanis, particularly the ones hypocritically barking from abroad on this very thread, make me vomit when they claim their bizarre pseudo-secularism to be the only true way.

 

[El Sidd]

I do enjoy your mixed bag of divinely sanctioned edicts and rulings. Do me next. What am I?

A Bakht of Sindhu river.

 

[retaxis]

Even in secular societies like China, hijab is not banned in schools or anywhere. Its weird that muslim countries want to ban it maybe to appease other nations like israel and usa

 

[I*R*A]

But why go explicitly looking for fitna fassad?

Really? We, Pakistanis, which poppy seed local delicacy you enjoyed this morning to be so under the influence.

I do not go explicitly looking for it, not may problem if it is the only thing these days.

I said overall, yes we Pakistanis. If you wish, you can search for solo female travelers to Pakistan and their stories.

I use poppy seeds to ease up the clogged nasal and air tracts during flue and cold days. You take a cup of 1 table spoon poppy seed boiled in milk (achi tarah karhana hy) before going to bed. Best remedy.

 

[El Sidd]

I do not go explicitly looking for it, not may problem if it is the only thing these days.

I said overall, yes we Pakistanis. If you wish, you can search for solo female travelers to Pakistan and their stories.

I use poppy seeds to ease up the clogged nasal and air tracts during flue and cold days. You take a cup of 1 table spoon poppy seed boiled in milk (achi tarah karhana hy) before going to bed. Best remedy.

The societies are judged on how they treat each other and not foreigners.

Grab a newspaper read it and have some self respect in admitting to shortcomings. Till date i have not read news of a women beheaded in Baku and severed head used as a football.

You may not be high on poppy but false sense of self-righteousness has similar affects like Cocaine and Sugar.

 

[RocketLaw]

English Translation:
I had said that this matter in Azerbaijan would go as far as overthrowing Aliyev. There are no Shiite origins within the Azerbaijani army; they are all Sunni Muslims. Either the Azerbaijani army overthrows Aliyev, or otherwise, South Azerbaijani Shiites intervene in Azerbaijan, and internal peace is utterly destroyed. The Shiites are waiting for the Azeris.

 

[I*R*A]

The societies are judged on how they treat each other and not foreigners.

Grab a newspaper read it and have some self respect in admitting to shortcomings. Till date i have not read news of a women beheaded in Baku and severed head used as a football.

You may not be high on poppy but false sense of self-righteousness has similar affects like Cocaine and Sugar.

Do you see Pakistanis beheading women everyday in most of their cities? I said overall. I am not shying away from our shortcomings and look the other way.

A woman in Pakistan knows 90% of Pakistanis surrounding her in a busy place will come to her rescue.

 

[Michael]

Even in secular societies like China, hijab is not banned in schools or anywhere.

No! This is prohibited in China!

Chinese law explicitly stipulates:
1. Minors must not be forced to practice a religion.
2. Proselytizing to minors is strictly prohibited.

Even in regions with significant ethnic minority populations—such as Northwest China—public schools enforce the policy of separating religion from education, and the removal of religious attire is mandatory within school grounds.

But, two points:
1. Certain forms of religious attire or cultural practices have shed their religious connotations and evolved into characteristics of ethnic culture; these are permitted.
2. Gaps in law enforcement exist in some localities, leading to potential issues. However, this does not mean that China officially sanctions such behavior.

The focus is not on the "hijab" itself, but on its religious significance.

* Previously, due to the infiltration of Arab religious forces, numerous religious "Hope Schools" offering Arabic-language instruction emerged in China's Ningxia region. In these schools, girls were seen wearing the hijab—a phenomenon that has since been strictly cracked down upon and banned.

 

[retaxis]

No! This is prohibited in China!

Chinese law explicitly stipulates:
1. Minors must not be forced to practice a religion.
2. Proselytizing to minors is strictly prohibited.

Even in regions with significant ethnic minority populations—such as Northwest China—public schools enforce the policy of separating religion from education, and the removal of religious attire is mandatory within school grounds.

But, two points:
1. Certain forms of religious attire or cultural practices have shed their religious connotations and evolved into characteristics of ethnic culture; these are permitted.
2. Gaps in law enforcement exist in some localities, leading to potential issues. However, this does not mean that China officially sanctions such behavior.

The focus is not on the "hijab" itself, but on its religious significance.

Your right actually. I lived in northern china only see hijab women of hui ethnics but never seen hijab kid going to school.

 

[Michael]

Your right actually. I lived in northern china only see hijab women of hui ethnics but never seen hijab kid going to school.

Certain distinctive forms of attire, cultural practices, and customs that originated in religion have, over the course of history, gradually shed their religious connotations to become characteristics or customs of a specific ethnic group. State regulations permit these practices, as they are not classified as religious in nature.

The key criterion for this distinction is whether the practice is currently perceived by the public as religious or ethnic in character.

For example:
Hui people do not eat pork. While this was originally a religious observance, it has now fully evolved into an ethnic characteristic. Many primary and secondary schools in China allow their canteens to provide Halal food for Hui students; this measure is regarded as an accommodation of ethnic identity rather than a religious practice. Furthermore, Hui children are free to choose between Halal and non-Halal food; there is no compulsion involved.

 

[El Sidd]

Do you see Pakistanis beheading women everyday in most of their cities? I said overall. I am not shying away from our shortcomings and look the other way.

A woman in Pakistan knows 90% of Pakistanis surrounding her in a busy place will come to her rescue.

Can she count on it in matters of honor killing and inheritance?