BrahMos: Greek Experts Pitch Indo-Russian Supersonic Cruise Missile To Checkmate S-400 Armed Turkey

[Archie]

You mean the single most important part?

It is an export russian missile. India has slowly put some Indian parts in it.

It's based of a Russian Missile

But India has worked on improving it over the last 10-12 years

We have developed variants which even the Russians don't have.

Russia gave us an anti ship missile with 290km range

We have added land attach capability, increased it's range to upto 800 km in latest Block 4 orders and added an air launched version which the Russian didn't even think off .

We are currently working on Brahmos NG which will be far lighter while having a Higher speed of Mach 5 and having the 450km range of BLOCK 3

 

[Waz]

It's a solid and potent weapon and can strengthen Greece's minimum deterrence. The issue how do they plan to launch them, they only have 8 modern warships. A launch from them would invite a far greater barrage of Turkish anti-ship missiles which will be more numerous and fired from more platforms i.e. surface and air.
I guess they will be used on mobile launchers on their islands or fixed silos.

 

[Archie]

Indians have drunk so much gobar they deluded themselves to another universe. India did not "stand up" to NATO in 1971. On the contrary, the Soviet Union and Israel were working against Pakistan around the clock.

UK has an Indian Prime Minister
USA Has an Indian origin Vice President
French President Macron is a close Indian Ally
Russia is dependent on India for sale of its Crude oil
Israel is our close ally and we are actively supplying weapons to them .

Which western / NATO Nation do you think is willing to fight against India

Turkey might talk crap

But they won't face India out in the open seas

 

[arjunk]

We have developed variants which even the Russians don't have.

Russia gave us an anti ship missile with 290km range

We have added land attach capability, increased it's range to upto 800 km in latest Block 4 orders

P-800 (the missile Brahmos is an export variant of) already has a range of 800km.

and added an air launched version which the Russian didn't even think off .

Are you suggesting Russians don't understand the concept of air launched cruise missile? They already have air launched missiles that go thrice the speed of Brahmos.

We are currently working on Brahmos NG which will be far lighter while having a Higher speed of Mach 5 and having the 450km range of BLOCK 3

I am well aware of the fact that on paper India is working on projects such as Tejas, AMCA, and Brahmos NG.

 

[Afif]

After Zircon, why the Brahmos is considered as the most dangerous Anti Ship missile in the world? It's not the speed of Mach 3.5, it's not even the fact that it has enough kinetic energy to literally break a destroyer sized ship in half during tests, it's not even the fact that it has an accuracy of 1 meters during testing and as if all this was not enough, it's not even the fact that it has 3 redundant systems of every single electronic part inside it, which means that even if it's jammed or hit by an EMP or 2, it can still keep going as if nothing happened. No. The main reason that Brahmos is so respected and feared is because it has the ability to perform 3 dimensional S Maneuvers in the terminal phase at Mach 3.5 which makes CIWS systems useless and most Missile defence systems very very difficult to counter it.

No, new Brahmos's top speed is 3.5 Mach. However, at very low altitude when sea-skimming neither Russian/Indian/South Korean nor the Chinese supersonic AShM missiles can maintain its top speed. At those altitute these missiles are known to loose 30% of their top speed because of the extreme air density and resistance. This has less to do with technology of the missiles and more to do with physics.

Also it would be incorrect to claim (not saying you did claim) only Brahmos can maneuver in 3D. Other supersonic missiles like P-800, South Korean new AShM as well as Japanese ASM-3 are all able to maneuver in three dimensions.


In fact, when it comes to the question of which is the best AShM after Zircon, the title would likely go to ASM-3A.

It has top speed of 3.5 Mach . However what it makes it superior to the Russian P-800 or Brahmos is, its AESA radar seeker, developed by leveraging the Japanese lead in AESA technology as well as its superior design.


It's design philosophy similar to that of Meteor, enabling superior maneuverability.

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Afaik, AEGIS baseline 10 equipped with SPY-6 can intercept 32x targets from all direction simultaneously.

And US CSG always has extensive air patrol all around with carrier borne AWACS+Super hornet & F-35. Which are the first line of defence and will shoot down lot of the missile before it reaches within 30km of the carrier.

 

[Archie]

P-800 (the missile Brahmos is an export variant of) already has a range of 800km.

Are you suggesting Russians don't understand the concept of air launched cruise missile? They already have air launched missiles that go thrice the speed of Brahmos.

I am well aware of the fact that on paper India is working on projects such as Tejas, AMCA, and Brahmos NG.

What I meant was

That Russia is not launching a 3.2 ton Missile from a Su30K fighter

They are using heavy bombers to launch airlaunched Cruise Missiles

Brahmos NG is important development because it will be capable of being launched from Smaller Aircrafts like Mig29, Mirage 2000, Rafales and Tejas

Current Brahmos can only be launched from is 42 Su30MKI which have undergone the structural modifications to carry this missile

 

[guangdongt]

No, new Brahmos's top speed is 3.5 Mach. However, at very low altitude when sea-skimming neither Russian/Indian/South Korean nor the Chinese supersonic AShM missiles can maintain its top speed. At those altitute these missiles are known to loose 30% of their top speed because of the extreme air density and resistance. This has less to do with technology of the missiles and more to do with physics.

Also it is incorrect to say only Brahmos can maneuver in 3D. Other supersonic missiles like P-800, South Korean new AShM as well as Japanese ASM-3 are all able to maneuver in three dimensions.


In fact, when it comes to the question of which is the best AShM after Zircon, the title would likely go to ASM-3A.

It has top speed of 3.5 Mach . However what it makes it superior to the Russian P-800 or Brahmos is, its AESA radar seeker, developed by leveraging the Japanese lead in AESA technology as well as its superior design.

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It's design philosophy similar to that of Meteor, enabling superior maneuverability.




Afaik, AEGIS baseline 10 equipped with SPY-6 can intercept 32x targets from all direction.

And US CSG always has extensive air patrol all around with carrier borne AWACS+Super hornet & F-35. Which are the first line of defence and will shoot down lot of the missile before it reaches within 30km of the carrier.

It's a bit small. From the photos taken by Defense Minister Chihiro Yamamoto during his visit, the diameter of the ASM-3 supersonic anti-ship missile is not large, around 350 millimeters, not reaching the level of 400 millimeters. Referring to international supersonic anti-ship missiles of the same size and diameter, the ASM-3 supersonic anti-ship missile is not yet capable of sinking a 6000-8000 ton destroyer, but can damage the destroyer and cause it to lose most of its combat effectiveness.

 

[arjunk]

What I meant was

That Russia is not launching a 3.2 ton Missile from a Su30K fighter

They are using heavy bombers to launch airlaunched Cruise Missiles

Brahmos NG is important development because it will be capable of being launched from Smaller Aircrafts like Mig29, Mirage 2000, Rafales and Tejas

Current Brahmos can only be launched from is 42 Su30MKI which have undergone the structural modifications to carry this missile

Russia does launch Mach 10 4.3 Ton Khinzal Hypersonic Missile from a fighter

 

[DDG-80]

However what it makes it superior to the Russian P-800 or Brahmos is, its AESA radar seeker, developed by leveraging the Japanese lead in AESA technology as well as its superior design.

Yes..we have...X band aesa seeker are already been tested and in process of being fielded on weapons like brahmos, astra bvraam, qrsam, akash ng etc.

 

[DDG-80]

Russia does launch Mach 10 4.3 Ton Khinzal Hypersonic Missile from a fighter
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It's an air launched ballistic missile similar to Rudram II/III.

 

[Afif]

DRDO have a newly developed AESA radar seeker in place of the mechanically scanned one for BrahMos
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Good for DRDO.

 

[Afif]

It's a bit small. From the photos taken by Defense Minister Chihiro Yamamoto during his visit, the diameter of the ASM-3 supersonic anti-ship missile is not large, around 350 millimeters, not reaching the level of 400 millimeters. Referring to international supersonic anti-ship missiles of the same size and diameter, the ASM-3 supersonic anti-ship missile is not yet capable of sinking a 6000-8000 ton destroyer, but can damage the destroyer and cause it to lose most of its combat effectiveness.View attachment 31620View attachment 31621

It doesn't have to sink it. It only need to cripple it and put it out of commission.

 

[arjunk]

I did mention that
France, UK, Greece, US and Italy are allies of India

Why will they fight India if Turkey does something stupid

Indian Navy is Larger than the French and Royal Navy combined

Turkish Navy is a Brown water fleet ,
While Indian Warships are deployed across the Indo pacific

Also,

Their are some Videos of Rishi Sunak Chanting a few Slogans which won't look out of Place in a BJP rally in India

I won't post the videos , but you can Google it yourself

You severely overestimate India's importance on the global stage.

 

[vkdindian]

What a joke thread this has become.

If India supplies weapons to a country A which has enmity with country B then, it doesn’t mean that country B and India have become enemies and will fight a war tomorrow.

Turkey has supplied weapons to Paksiatn. US has supplied weapons to both India and Paksiatn. Paksiatn has supplied ammunitions to Ukraine but still gets engines for JF from Russia.

If Greece wants Indian weapons, then it is a commercial deal. How effectively the weapon is employed is not Indian problem. Greeks have to choose and buy stuff that meets their game plan.

Second issue is the possibility of a war between Greece and Turkey. Both are NATO members and the powers that be wouldn’t allow a conflict between them.

Amount of noise that Brahmos would do on launch has been bettered by the noise by some members here, in favour and against this poor missile. Leave it alone please.

 

[DevendraRajput]

I forget those great battles, please remind me on the tales of heroism.

I invite you to read more about it here : https://history.state.gov/milestones/1969-1976/south-asia .