Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Abdul q]

Asim Munir at this very moment is a US aligned man. Politician or a military man, i don't know. But i have no doubt that he is not a well-wisher of resistance axis.

His mediation is not welcomed by Iran anymore. His presence in Iran wastes our efforts.

He’s not welcomed by anyone.. only elected official have respect.. don’t forget

 

[Immortals]

NEW: Qatar and Pakistan have presented a compromise proposal to revive U.S.-Iran talks. Under the plan, Iran would receive profits from its $6 billion in frozen funds held in Qatari banks.

In return, Iran would allow a secret IAEA visit to its nuclear sites.

Pakistani Army Chief Field Marshal Asim Munir reportedly carried the proposal to Tehran on Tuesday.

Sources say it has U.S. approval. Iran had reportedly responded positively to it earlier.

Only the interest on the frozen assets would be deposited into an Iranian account, not the principal.

The unannounced inspection would address a key U.S. demand on the nuclear file.

Source: Al-Araby Al-Jadeed



BREAKING: The US and Iran have reportedly given preliminary approval to a new compromise proposal from Qatar and Pakistan, per Reuters

It follows a report Monday that a breakthrough deal between Washington and Tehran could be announced as soon as this week, and Iran’s president saying Friday that Tehran is ready for dialogue.

Already been denied and no deal is close

People think a deal is close when Bibi is talking like this:

 

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

 

[Abdul q]

 

[BananaRepublic]

They are regurgitating what they did to Jimmy Carter.

Exactly what I said few days back.

 

[Falcon29]

Reports are all over the place. Trump is likely not in a rush to conduct military operation, the only way he's forced to rush is if Iran disrupts international shipping in the SOH like it has been the past two weeks. Otherwise he'll wait till he finds out who his next partner in Israel is and after the mid terms to asses situation.

In the end he'll probably sign a deal similar to Obama's deal.

 

[Falcon29]

Iran's National Security Council Secretary to the Pakistani Army Chief: No negotiations unless Washington takes steps and implements our conditions

 

[BananaRepublic]

Another military dictator who got big for his khaki!

 

[BananaRepublic]

This guy has Obama’s charm, Obama’s intellect, Reagan’s communication skills and LBJ’s balls.

US’ first practicing Muslim president

 

[ShapurII]

Connect the dots, the enrichment hall took blast debris and shockwave vibrations even if we assume all centrifuges were newer generations that could safely shut off when dealt with immediate loss of power.

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What are these photos supposed to prove exactly? These photos have already been posted here over 10 times. They prove nothing about the destruction of Fordow, as you claimed. Nobody disputes that Fordow has been targeted, but where is the proof for your claim that Fordow has been destroyed?

All it proves is that some GBU-57s have been dropped on it successfully, but what has happened down there is absolutely unclear. We don't know if those bombs have even worked and detonated as planned. So, again, what's the source of your information to claim that Fordow has been destroyed? Even the IAEA doesn't know that yet.

IR-1 and earlier versions of IR-2 were prone to immediate loss of power because they were supercritical and used aluminum rotors. That doesn't apply to newer versions of Iranian centrifuges which use carbon fiber and are subcritical without going through a destructive resonance zone.

Alright let me stop you right there. This isn’t Narnia, it’s Earth. You aren’t using fossil fuel generators inside a clean room nuclear site. Underground high voltage power lines (which have many set of problems) don’t go to a magical land they go to above surface sub station, which was bombed. You can’t hide your power source, you can defend it. Which Iran didn’t.

Do you think fossil fuel generators will be in the same location as the clean rooms? You can integrate your high voltage power lines with the civilian grid. If they haven't destroyed the civilian grid, then there's no power issue. What part of this is not Earth like? lol

Iran may or may not have enough raw uranium for an industrial refueling program, it has enough for a handful of nuclear weapons.

Iran mined about 20 tones of uranium per year in recent years. That hardly gives you 100 kilograms of HEU. Assuming a compression ratio of 2, you need 16 kilograms of uranium for a nuclear warhead. 100 kilograms of HEU is hardly sufficient for even 6 nuclear devices and 6 nuclear devices is not going to cut it for Iran against the US and Israel. And besides that, every kilogram of the uranium you mine will be tracked. So, nope.

There is also zero evidence you have seen the solid fuel production engines inside Shahrud’s missile tunnel city. Does that mean this production line doesn’t exist? What kind of claim is this?

You claimed Iran could setup 200 cascades of IR-6 centrifuges. And you were asked to prove it. Shahrud's missile tunnel city has nothing to do with your claim about 200 cascades of IR-6.

Also you don’t need 200 IR-6 cascades (164 x 200 x ~4SWU = 131,200 SWUs) to get to a 5-10 nuclear arsenal. Are you trying to build nuclear bombs or wipe out human civilization with that SWU capacity?!

131,200 SWU is not that much, particularly because Iran reports SWU based on UF6, not U. It's not such a high number, as you think. Industrial countries like Russia and the US have 5-10 million SWU/year. And again, it was your claim, not mine. So, what is it based on?

And yes, if you want to race towards a nuclear bomb in less than 2 months, and produce 10 nuclear weapons, you'll need about 150-160 kilograms of HEU. Here's the calculation for 160 kilograms of 90% U-235:

Natural uranium required: 28 tonnes.
SWU, for 2 months: 330,000 SWU UF6/year.

I don’t know where you got the 32,800 IR-6 claim from. You are making up claims now.
Several sources including those at Arms Control Wonk believe Iran was able to remove some centrifuges and uranium out of Fordow before the bombing. Furthermore, they also believe Iran can develop centrifuges if needed.

I trust their judgement as nuclear proliferation is their area of expertise.

It's pretty simple. You said 200 cascades of IR-6. Each cascade of IR-6 is 164 centrifuges in its most common setup, per IAEA reports and multiple articles on Iran's nuclear program by people like David Albright. 164 * 200 = 32,800. It's just basic math.

I'm still waiting for you to prove that Iran has 200 cascades of IR-6 centrifuges. You haven't showed me any evidence for this claim yet.

ICAC was for industrial centrifuge production of an eventual 300,000 SWU enrichment capacity. And was actually a pilot facility.

You seem to think centrifuges are some crazy technology. Nuclear weapons were done in the 1940’s with no semiconductors let alone computers.

This is a centrifuge from the 50’s

Bro, if you are not going to support what you've claimed regarding Iran's IR-6 storage, stop wasting my time with irrelevant points and just take it back.

Just because something is old tech, doesn't mean countries have the necessary infrastructure and industrial ecosystem to produce it at any industrial rate they want. It took the US about 3 years to build the first atomic bomb from scratch and Iran hasn't been able to do that after 30 years. Russia hasn't been able to produce 300nm chips commercially, which the US did in 1980s. What does it have to do with anything really?

Pakistan built their nuclear arsenal with IR-1 (1st generation) centrifuges. So if Iran needed to they have the capability to smack together 164 cascades of older centrifuges using specialized workshops across the country. Whether they can build IR-4 or IR-6 or IR-9 I am not sure. All that would do is help speed up the enrichment time and make the concealment program much easier to hide as you only need 1 cascade maybe 2 at a few scattered sites to sprint to a handful of bombs (using newer centrifuges).

IR-9 has never been operational in large scale and it was still undergoing testing before the war. 2 cascades of IR-6 give you roughly 1600-1800 SWU UF6/year. Even with IR-8, that number would go up to 6,000 SWU UF6/year or so. How is that enough?

I suggest you watch this video by the now assassinated Iranian nuclear scientist who was killed during the war.

Fereydoon Abbasi is talking nonsense here. How do you want to convert 90% UF6 gas to uranium metal when your only conversion facility has been bombed? Iran shouldn't have built uranium metal conversion facility at Natanz above the ground to begin with.

Honestly, It seems to me Iran was never really serious about going nuclear.

For the sake of argument, let's say OK, you can build a new one, but do you think it will go unnoticed? They've killed over 40 of our top officials in the last 18 months and you think with all the intel they have on us, they won't notice that Iran is building a new facility for uranium metal conversion?

 

[Mero]

Your complex thinking can simply be replaced by

The war is for escatological reasons well known in evengalical Christianity and judiasm

Except the victors of WWII never intended to lose grip on Europe and the globe. This is the Empire striking back. UK and Oligarchs only use religion for voter Base of control.

So this stands:

I posted many times on this topic over at the old site on my old username, years ago.

The victors of WWII never intended for Europe to rebuild and replace the Anglo-Americans. The victors of WWII never intended to lose their empires after WWII. WWII was a disaster for UK and keeping down rivals. The peace and prosperity of Europe, post-WWII was only allowed and promoted to sell the idea of superiority of the West over the Soviet Union. After the fall of communism in Europe, the EEC/ECSC out lived their usefulness. They are never part of the club. Globalism was a temporary brand to allow inclusion while there was German dominance in exports and Japanese dominance in exports. China was used as a wedge to make sure Germany and Japan do not replace the Anglos and Americans respectively. Globalism was the check on rival economies to export jobs to China. China would be fattened and then slaughtered by trump. That was the plan.

The Europeans are wanted to shift from post war neoliberalism of peace and acceptance to their British Royal's racial science of inferiors and Aryanism. The original nazi racists are the British.

The self-appointed rulers of the globe after WWII do not suffer rivals. UK, US, Zionist Regime, France and Russia. trump, netanyahu, putin, le pen and farage are the avant garde revolutionaries for this new replacement of the old order, that is to be smashed, and a new nazi, zionazi, ethnostates, racial hate, Islamophobia, bitcoin disorder to replace the old system scapegoated as gay and woke and globalist.

Netanyahu is clearly part of those behind the protests. They are a cia, mi6, fsb, mossad operation globally to destroy opposition to the Entente and victors of WWII new system of hate.

These imperialists are trying to redo the post WWII order as they believe it should have been that benefited the victors in total control.

The Iran War is one part of that destroying the old order for a Pax Americana. Global Britain with Farage. French Imperialism with Le Pen. Greater Israel Project with Netanyahu. Imperial Russia with putin.

 

[Immortals]

Munir has opened the Pakistan border again.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Jolani is a Sunni Islamist who hates Iran more than he hates Israel.

Ever wondered why communist states (like the GDR) could hire former Nazis but never former Trotskyists?

The heretic is always hated more than the infidel.

This is why Islamists are so dangerous.

In the last 50 years they have killed more Muslims than the yanks.

These vile creatures need locking up. Put them in Aynaghors

They are a danger to ordinary Muslims.

 

[retaxis]

The only MOU IRan will agree with is the instant unfreezing of all funds and the payment (GCC forced by USA) to rebuild any damages caused by war.

Otherwise Americas only option is to go in with a ground offensive because nothing else will work (I highly doubt a ground offensive would work anyway but it is last option).