Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

 

[925boy]

to betray ksa.

knowing current usa behavior, you must take treason as most likely possibility from usa.

what is the logical motive for US to betray KSA? And what does a betrayal of KSA even mean from US perspective?

just see what usa is doing to ukraine to guess what could happen to gcc in next usa/iran war.

Only thing US did to Ukraine was fosl to use it as an effective bettering ram proxy against Russia, and for that failure, Ukraine will be a permanently deformed nation for the foreseeable future. That nato led proxy war just went south/bad! Nothing more really. No country is US's friend, except maybe Israel.

 

[Immortals]

Iran sitting around waiting to get attacked

 

[925boy]

It may occur to you some day that Pakistan behaves with Pakistani interests finances in mind.

There, fixed it for you.

Iran has supported a number of proxies in the region that have done nothing of substance in return for Iranians other than recklessly dragging Iran into their own conflicts.

Pakistan has done the same in Kashmir too...the weak have to fight whichever way they have that will effectively push their cause and protect their interests. The world being harsh is normal. US and Israel invented doing illegal things to other nations and the world population saying that is ok, except when it's other countries that do the same.

 

[Professor Jiang]

Iran has supported a number of proxies in the region that have done nothing of substance in return for Iranians other than recklessly dragging Iran into their own conflicts.

Again, doesn't sound very 'proxy' like, does it? It sounds almost like these allies have their own specific sets of interests and national politics to manage.

The whole 'Iranian proxy' lens hasn't been able to explain anything in the region since Hezbollah formally integrated itself within the Lebanese political scene in the early 90s.

 

[PakistanLVR]

All of a sudden, these all 3-4 millions poor masses become illegal and criminal. It actually means you are not sincere with anyone, not even with your natural strategic partner, Afghanistan. So, brother, instead of making empty claims on this forum, focus on fixing country's system before criticizing other countries.

You as a Pakistani shouldn't be throwing rocks while living in a glass house. Now you're a well-wisher of the afghans? Talking about Iran fixing its system while half of Pakistan is literally plagued by massive insurgency and are a No-Go areas for everyone.
BLA has set up checkpoints across Balochistan and the army is being lit up left and right.

let's not kid ourselves, the Pasthun and Baloch areas are fighting back against the establishment dominated by the eastern part of the country.

Ironically enough, the western parts seems to be adhering to a more Islamic ideology vs Eastern parts which are converting into Westernized Secular Christians, and or adopting Hinduism mannerism via Bollywood. Anyone with above-average intellect can see exactly what's going on in Pakistan - The Hinduism and Christianity influence is being sponsor at the highest level of the government. When, not if Pakistan breaks up as its as much of an artificial state as everyone else formed post WW2, the Eastern parts will be gobble up by the indians and the western ones by the afghans. Normally I would welcome this as this would provide the more nationalist folks in our country to dole out the nukes and forever end the wannabe superpower next door that can't even feed its hideously dis-formed population, and make Kabul a glowing city on the hill with radiation, but alas, we know the nukes will be mortgaged off by the "Generals" for safe passage for them and their family to the West.

 

[PakistanLVR]

And presumably, you infer this largely because Pakistan decides to partake in the suppression of the mighty Houthi qom? The Houthis themselves have a non-aggression pact with the Americans. It may occur to you some day that Pakistan behaves with Pakistani interests in mind. Iran has supported a number of proxies in the region that have done nothing of substance in return for Iranians other than recklessly dragging Iran into their own conflicts.

This is 100% categorically false. If it acted in its interests, the literacy rate would be >=90%.
It wouldn't let the Indians and Israeli steal its products via Dubai and stamp their countries logo on it.
It would not have let the US bombed Pakistani citizens.
It would have wrecked the indians in 2019 and 2025 after they attacked Pakistan proper twice, and shut off the water.
It would have tested a 12k miles range missile capable of nuke warheads, and not limit its current missile range to just 2,750 miles.
I mean the list goes on and on, and you guys come here and d**k measure when everyone is aware of the actual facts. The Country has never had a government which has acted in its people's interests.
It truly is a renter state, which means you in England can't even depend on its for any form of protection and support in case things get heated due to all the racial stuff. The consensus is everyone is uniting against the Pakistanis there. The other Muslims hate your community just as much as any right wing Anglo - so drop this foolish act of defending the animals ruling Pakistan

 

[PakistanLVR]

Egypt is incompetent and the Sunni Arabs need to be taken over by Turkey.

Iran can take over the Shia Arabs.

Slowly the Zionist entity can be squeezed and eliminated when the west no longer calls the shots.

Turkey is the Sunni equivalent of Shia Iran.

 

[Imran S]

You as a Pakistani shouldn't be throwing rocks while living in a glass house. Now you're a well-wisher of the afghans? Talking about Iran fixing its system while half of Pakistan is literally plagued by massive insurgency and are a No-Go areas for everyone.
BLA has set up checkpoints across Balochistan and the army is being lit up left and right.

let's not kid ourselves, the Pasthun and Baloch areas are fighting back against the establishment dominated by the eastern part of the country.

Ironically enough, the western parts seems to be adhering to a more Islamic ideology vs Eastern parts which are converting into Westernized Secular Christians, and or adopting Hinduism mannerism via Bollywood. Anyone with above-average intellect can see exactly what's going on in Pakistan - The Hinduism and Christianity influence is being sponsor at the highest level of the government. When, not if Pakistan breaks up as its as much of an artificial state as everyone else formed post WW2, the Eastern parts will be gobble up by the indians and the western ones by the afghans. Normally I would welcome this as this would provide the more nationalist folks in our country to dole out the nukes and forever end the wannabe superpower next door that can't even feed its hideously dis-formed population, and make Kabul a glowing city on the hill with radiation, but alas, we know the nukes will be mortgaged off by the "Generals" for safe passage for them and their family to the West.

At least, gain some real knowledge about Pakistan history, before posting Zionist Chat gpt

 

[retaxis]

More like 4000 me and the wife did the math our living expenses went up 3700 dollars so far this year and cost of living raise increase didn’t match what went up for me this year my wife luckily her company has kept her raise close to what the costs have risen for the year my company did 3 percent regardless of your performance throughout the whole company

I eat out a lot, fish and chips went from $17 to $25 and thats just food not including petrol, gas and other cost increases

 

[Immortals]

 

[BHAN85]

what is the logical motive for US to betray KSA? And what does a betrayal of KSA even mean from US perspective?

Only thing US did to Ukraine was fosl to use it as an effective bettering ram proxy against Russia, and for that failure, Ukraine will be a permanently deformed nation for the foreseeable future. That nato led proxy war just went south/bad! Nothing more really. No country is US's friend, except maybe Israel.

I think even Israel can end fcked by USA, even keeping in mind that I think American Jewish elite are the real rulers of USA. Jewish people history is filled with plenty of examples of Jewish elite making troubles that end paying common Jews.

The reason to betray KSA/GCC is similar to betray Europe, USA doesnt need so much rich parasites wasting resources that are running out (energy, oil, raw materials.

The most repeated method of equilibrium of a ecosystem, is kill beings when resources start to run out. And peak oil, and peak-every-raw material is coming fast, USA fracking will end in the next decade. Well, in economy there is no need to kill to keep resources, it's just enough with war and destroy industries.

 

[PakAl]

On the issue of Pakistan, I am surprised that some people didn't know this would happen.

Pakistan has always been a Saudi ally and under the influence of the US. The only reason that Pakistan was chosen as a mediator by the US was because the US trusted Pakistan and Pakistan was close to China as well. So, both China and the US agreed that Pakistan had to play this role.

If the Ayatollahs in Iran thought Pakistan was Iran's friend, or even neutral in the war, they're beyond retarded.

It was Pakistan which supported Iranian resolutions in UN, went to Usa and told Trump they oppose this war, Pakistan also sent the highest level delegation to Ayatullah Kamenia funeral, encouraged GCC to not retaliate and encouraged Iran not to Target GCC so it wont start Arab Iranian war. The Iranian government and parliament praised Pakistan. If the Iranian government do not trust Pakistan then simply reject the mediation or call for Modi to mediate who didnt even condemn Israeli aggression in SCO. But try to understand Pakistan didnt start the enemity or war between Usa Israel and Iran, its between them 3 but Pakistan is still playing its role to stop this war. Yes Pakistan biggest allies in the Muslim world are Turkey and Saudis so its not an easy situation for Pakistan to be in. What else does Iran want Pakistan to do? What about Russia and India?

 

[PakAl]

First of all, the Taliban have always been your natural strategic partner until recently. I very well, quite vividly, remember the days people here boasted with pride about the genius and might of the ISI and their immense power because they had helped bring a bunch of turban-wearing terrorists with the help of the US and Saudi Arabia to power in 1990s. So glad that the Taliban finally threw you guys in the dustbin like toilet paper and now you sound so butthurt because they no longer care about the ISI and your support for terrorism in Afghanistan. You're the reason for the decade-old miseries of Afghans, not Iran. We didn't bring the Taliban to power. Let's not forget historical facts.

Secondly, don't worry. There are many more options besides Pakistan. Nobody asked Pakistan to be the mediator anyway, it was Pakistan that proposed to mediate between Iran and the US. Eventually, when the war has to end, Iran and the US will be forced to negotiate directly.

Thirdly, you have closed your borders with Iran to help the US siege against us. What mediation? You're not even neutral. How can you claim to be neutral if you've stopped your trade with Iran under the US dictates?

Border has reopened. And where are other mediators? What are they waiting for.

Pak-Iran border reopens as CDF visits Tehran | The Express Tribune

Field Marshal Asim holds talks with Iran's leadership; says border issues resolved after discussions

tribune.com.pk

 

[PakAl]

I do not blame Pakistan for the failure of the MoU honestly. I completely blame it on our stupid politicians. The US does not want a deal because they think they can break Iran with economic sanctions and cycles of war + peace.

We are in this current situation because we're ruled by idiots, not because of a failed MoU that Pakistan mediated.

It is Israel who doesnt want peace, they want the end of Iranian regime.