Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Leclerc]

No.
Irán did It well.
Netanyahu wanted to rid off the elections by accusing Irán of attacking first (basically Irán cannot make surgical attacks because they don't have such fighters and precisión small long range munitions like ice breaker).

If Irán would respond the only real answer would be big and politically contundent ballistic missiles and Irán would be used as an excuse for keeping Netanyahu in power.

Immortal pointed that Israeli command staff disagreed with Netanyahu just 48 hours ago.

Even Trump avoid carefully to join Netanyahu's iniciative.

So instead of being surprised or conclude a Iranian weakness in my oppinion, the Iranian self restrain should be interpreted like a form to avoid falling in the Netanyahu 's trap.

IMO It should be interpreted also like a weakness of Netanyahu. Nobody followed him and even military high rank was reluctant.

+1

I am just curious how it all plays out, I know very little about Israeli politics TBH.

 

[muz]

 

[BHAN85]

There is no ROI for the GCC to invest in businesses in muzz-Lim countries. Only ROI worthwhile is funding deobandi/ wahabbi madarsay/ jihadi tanzeem etc.

They invest hundreds of billions in countries like India where they can get some of the hard currency earnings back by selling oil n gas/ petchems etc.

Rest of the maany stays in BOA in NY and that is used by US corporations on construction/ infra/ weapons/ servicing/ support contracts.

GCC is under western financial management, in case you didn't know.

to be under western financial management was good for them, it's not anymore.

how good could be that management when mbs has to live hidden in bunkers, and they cant guarantee security in main ksa airport.

and it will become worst when iran war will restart.

how good is submission to usa when you go to slaughter house.

 

[BHAN85]

Netanyahu is 200 x more dangerous than Eisenknot, who's just a natural apparatsjik, a regular bureaucrat with experience in the army but without the leverage and smalltalk of the sewerjew Bibi.

Netanyahu has the patriottic symbolism (his brother died during Operation Entebbe), he has propaganda power (since the 80's he is talking in English before commissions about Iran, Iraq, Turkey etc), he has the lines with AIPAC inside the US, he has the connections with the High Rabbe and he is highly involved in the Epstein blackmail infrastructure hence why all the Gulfstate leaders are bowing for him.

Eisneknot must win with all means.

Epstein was American Jewish, not Israeli Jewish.

Ehud Barak, Israeli former PM and defense minister, was Epstein customer too, another dumbfuck blackmailed by USA elite.

Bibi is not blackmailed through Epstein scheme, but to corruption probes inside own country. Blackmailed in the daylight, he doesnt decide jackshit, although he is happy with his warmongering, he doesnt need too much blackmailing to send others to war.

Israeli jews are nothing but bootlickers of American Jewish elite, like all goyim.

American Jewish sometimes use them and sometimes not.

In this stage of USA empire, Israel is to Middle East, like Ukraine is to Europe, a tool in the hands of USA to destabilize those zones.

 

[Leclerc]

Epstein was American Jewish, not Israeli Jewish.

Ehud Barak, Israeli former PM and defense minister, was Epstein customer too, another dumbfuck blackmailed by USA elite.

Israeli jews are nothing but bootlickers of American Jewish elite, like all goyim.

American Jewish sometimes use them and sometimes not.

In this stage of USA empire, Israel is to Middle East, like Ukraine is to Europe, a tool in the hands of USA to destabilize those zones.

How does American Jewish elite differ from just... American elite?

To me, all oligarchs are the same, ethnicity barely matters, if at all.

 

[BHAN85]

How does American Jewish elite differ from just... American elite?

To me, all oligarchs are the same, ethnicity barely matters, if at all.

It's hard to know, we can only guess.

Not much public official information about how power really works in the "biggest democracy". And it's plenty of bullshit about it, hard to separate real information from bullshit.

But remember 2008 financial crisis, wars after that, were different than previously.

2003 Iraq war was very different than Libya and Syria wars. Iraq war was classic war, Libya and Syria were another thing.

Since Obama until today USA become much more hypocrite in his foreign policy, more backstabber, more twisted. Although less stupid, no more biggest terrorist attacks in own land (9 11 in USA or July 7th in UK).

Maybe I'm wrong but I think under Bush administrations, ultimate important decisions were under American gentiles control, and since Obama until today, under American Jewish elite control, they are more cold and smart than gentiles, sometimes is a good thing for mankind, and sometimes a bad thing.

 

[Leclerc]

It's hard to know, we can only guess.

Not much public official information about how power really works in the "biggest democracy". And it's plenty of bullshit about it, hard to separate real information from bullshit.

But remember 2008 financial crisis, wars after that, were different than previously.

2003 Iraq war was very different than Libya and Syria wars. Iraq war was classic war, Libya and Syria were another thing.

Since Obama until today USA become much more hypocrite in his foreign policy, more backstabber, more twisted. Although less stupid, no more biggest terrorist attacks in own land (9 11 in USA or July 7th in UK).

Maybe I'm wrong but I think under Bush administrations, ultimate important decisions were under American gentiles control, and since Obama until today, under American Jewish elite control, they are more cold and smart than gentiles, sometimes is a good thing for mankind, and sometimes a bad thing.

I think you're wrong lol. There are American billionaires of a multitude of ethnicities (the richest one is white South African) and none of them care for the average person. A Jewish American billionaire has much more in common with an Irish American billionaire than with even a regular middle class American Jew.

It's like in the Middle Ages, there were French nobles, English nobles, German nobles etc. which occassionally fought among each other but as a general rule, felt themselves to have more in common with nobles from a different country than with peasants from their own.

 

[Ali_Baba]

This basically shows that our guess about war starting last weekend was actually right. The reason it didn't happen was because Iran decided to hold back and not respond to the Israeli attack instead of fighting back.

I've mixed feelings about this. It is true, Netanyahu didn't end up getting what he wanted, but Iran's current deterrent capability is essentially absent now. It appears Tehran will remain inactive unless the Israelis surpass a specific threshold of actions, which effectively means the Iranian leadership is permitting all sabotage, operations, and attacks that stay below this critical line.

iran was wise to not fall into Netanyahu's trip. Netanyahu can have his day of destiny and also Israel at the same time. The world has made the Israel problem, a specific "Netanyahu" problem and sold the line that all will be "well" when Netanyahu goes. We know that is not the case. And, this reckoning has to be seen by the world at hand. A renewed war on Netanyahu terms would have denied that opportunity.

Also, Iran has most certainly lost it's deterrence value for Israel, it is no longer "that" country you dare not meddle with, for them. That is something that Iran will have to learn to live with.

 

[Leclerc]

iran was wise to not fall into Netanyahu's trip. Netanyahu can have his day of destiny and also Israel at the same time. The world has made the Israel problem, a specific "Netanyahu" problem and sold the line that all will be "well" when Netanyahu goes. We know that is not the case. And, this reckoning has to be seen by the world at hand. A renewed war on Netanyahu terms would have denied that opportunity.

It's already done IMO.

All Iran needs is a few more days of restraint.

 

[BananaRepublic]

Another fake “negotiation” and another drop in price.

When will the mullahs wise up?!!

 

[Ali_Baba]

Netanyahu is 200 x more dangerous than Eisenknot, who's just a natural apparatsjik, a regular bureaucrat with experience in the army but without the leverage and smalltalk of the sewerjew Bibi.

Netanyahu has the patriottic symbolism (his brother died during Operation Entebbe), he has propaganda power (since the 80's he is talking in English before commissions about Iran, Iraq, Turkey etc), he has the lines with AIPAC inside the US, he has the connections with the High Rabbe and he is highly involved in the Epstein blackmail infrastructure hence why all the Gulfstate leaders are bowing for him.

Eisneknot must win with all means.

What Israel needs to do is remove Netanyahu permanently from Israeli politics, by arresting him and putting him on plane to the Hague for the ICC..

 

[Flotilla]

Also, Iran has most certainly lost it's deterrence value for Israel, it is no longer "that" country you dare not meddle with, for them. That is something that Iran will have to learn to live with.

This is a hasty conclusion. If Iran lacked a deterrent capability, Israel would not have attempted a limited, provocative strike against two radar sites in Tabriz and Ahvaz.

Instead, it would have deployed its full military might and launched an air campaign—even if only a brief one, like the previous instance. The fact that the military high command disagreed with him serves as further evidence that Iran is capable of deterring its enemies without falling into traps like the one set by that attack.

On all other points, I agree. Netanyahu appears to be politically finished, but I, for one, would not go so far as to declare that scorpion dead.

 

[BananaRepublic]

What Israel needs to do is remove Netanyahu permanently from Israeli politics, by arresting him and putting him on plane to the Hague for the ICC..

Israeli politicians are exactly the same.

Only the tone is different

 

[lightning f57]

iran was wise to not fall into Netanyahu's trip. Netanyahu can have his day of destiny and also Israel at the same time. The world has made the Israel problem, a specific "Netanyahu" problem and sold the line that all will be "well" when Netanyahu goes. We know that is not the case. And, this reckoning has to be seen by the world at hand. A renewed war on Netanyahu terms would have denied that opportunity.

Also, Iran has most certainly lost it's deterrence value for Israel, it is no longer "that" country you dare not meddle with, for them. That is something that Iran will have to learn to live with.

I think deterrence right now is definitely not there, you can argue Iran is at its weakest since last 40+ years. So yahu wont get a better chance to further weaken and destablise Iran.

For Iran it seems they are willing to take damage because they believe they can take the hits and still survive. Its a risky strategy but we did see that the 30+ day airwar was pretty ineffective from a strategic sense, it failed to destroy any of the missile bases and Irans seems to have sufficient missile/drone manufacturing capability as they have been running exercises for a while now using missiles constantly. That does not point to a country that is saving its stocks for war in a stingy manner.

The one thing is, the US and Israel seem to every time become more savage in their attacks, before I would have easily discounted use of tactical nukes on missile bases, but a desperate trump who will likely take a pounding in mid-terms and become a lame duck having to continuously fight Democratic impeachment attempts, will look at the period between Nov-Jan-27 to do max damage. In that time you never know at what extent he will go, so Iran needs to be careful they dont get overwhelmed from the start thinking they will take the hit then respond. That assumption could become costly.