BrahMos: Greek Experts Pitch Indo-Russian Supersonic Cruise Missile To Checkmate S-400 Armed Turkey

[vkdindian]

Ofcourse you will say it's only returning the favour, but turkey may actually be more pro actively incentivised to repay India for it's efforts, more than usual.

I would wait and see and not jump to conclusion like many on this thread. More so with Paksiatni flag who generally start celebrations prematurely.

India has got involved in Turkish backyard? What about Turkey supplying systems to Paksiatn? That is not their meddling our backyard? Or only they are allowed to meddle?

Moreover, Turkey is a smart country and has shown that, in it’s policy making and decisions. It has one of the biggest trade with Israel but also makes maximum noise against Israel. Some people take things literally and do the opposite. Turkey knows where to make noise and where to get involved.

 

[nahtanbob]

Brahmos is a formidable weapon. But it is not a game changer in terms of the numbers being deployed.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

According to Oleh Zhdanov, it is very difficult to shoot down the Russian “Onyx” missile. Its main feature is that it is supersonic and flies over a short distance.

"On such a short distance at such a high speed, you can see it, but shooting it down is impossible. It takes just minutes for it to reach its maximum range," he explained.

Russia hit Odesa with "Onyx": why these missiles cannot be shot down and where they can reach

The missile reaches its target so quickly that there's no time to announce the alarm.

tsn.ua

Yuriy Inhat, spokesperson for the Ukrainian Air Force, said the Onyx missiles presented a new challenge.

“It is difficult to fight with such missiles,” he told Ukrainian media, noting that they reach speeds of around 2,000mph and can fly as low as 10 metres off the ground, evading radar.

Miltary analysts believe even the most advanced air defence systems may not be foolproof against Onyx missiles.

“The difficulty is that you need to be able to detect them and there is only a small window of opportunity to do so given the low altitudes they fly at,” said Dr Marina Miron of the Defence Studies Department at King’s College London.

Onyx missiles can also “evade air defences by performing effective manoeuvres”, she added.

Russia launching night raids with supersonic Onyx missiles that Ukraine can't shoot down

A spokesperson for Ukraine's air force said the missiles can reach 2,000mph and fly just 10 metres off the ground

inews.co.uk

Dude I'm talking about terminal S shape evasive maneuvering that India always claims, where the proofs of its, India always claims this shit without any proofs/ backup, and as for speed Chinese supersonic anti-ship Missiles has same speed and subsonic vs supersonic have advantages and disadvantages of their own, subsonic is more difficult to detect than supersonic because sea skimming capability and stealthy designs, supersonic has less reaction time than subsonic but it can detect lot earlier because of big size hence big RCS and biggest IR signature because of extreme speed and last supersonic are not true sea skimmers as compare to the subsonic anti-ship cruise missiles

 

[lacy]

If we(Turkey) supply Pakistan with weapons then India has the right to reciprocate and provide their most potent weapons to Greece. India is breaking no pact here.

However, I'm not sure how much more capabilities Brahmos would bring to the table. According to Turkish Navy's reports, the sea of islands(Aegean) isn't survivable(the islands are tightly packed and are in artillery range from the Turkish coast) for Turkish and Greek vessels in case of war. So there won't be any Turkish ships sailing on those waters if Turkey is the attacking country. If Greece attack first, then they could sink one or two ships but the aftermath would be biblical. Greece would try hard to find any usable runway for their aircraft and their islands would be levelled.

I do not expect any hot-conflict between Greece and Turkey for the foreseeable future.

 

[Pingle]

Brahmos is a formidable weapon. But it is not a game changer in terms of the numbers being deployed.

Greek or Indian numbers?

 

[Pingle]

Back to the topic worst scenario for Turkiye will be if in future Greece goes for NG versions faster, lighter and smaller that can be fitted on smaller fighter jets of Greece like Mirage 2000s, rafales...... that will be very scary development in Mediterranean.....

 

[lacy]

Back to the topic worst scenario for Turkiye will be if in future Greece goes for NG versions faster, lighter and smaller that can be fitted on smaller fighter jets of Greece like Mirage 2000s, rafales...... that will be very scary development in Mediterranean.....

Any non-stealth solution from 2030 on is a no go. The Mediterranean is no ocean

 

[fulcrum]

Dude I'm talking about terminal S shape evasive maneuvering that India always claims, where the proofs of its, India always claims this shit without any proofs/ backup, and as for speed Chinese supersonic anti-ship Missiles has same speed and subsonic vs supersonic have advantages and disadvantages of their own, subsonic is more difficult to detect than supersonic because sea skimming capability and stealthy designs, supersonic has less reaction time than subsonic but it can detect lot earlier because of big size hence big RCS and biggest IR signature because of extreme speed and last supersonic are not true sea skimmers as compare to the subsonic anti-ship cruise missiles

I think u haven't seen brahmos hitting videos. There are abundant videos of brahmos hitting small targets at just 4 metre height...
That's just in videos for yt. Imagine what it could be doing at plain seas.
Secondly even Chinese missiles can do 'S' Shaped munuever have they released videos ? I think no country has released videos of there anti ship missile doing S munuever.
What supersonics missiles are not true sea skimmers
Watch at 1:00, hitting at 3 Metre altitude...
Watch whole video anyways...

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[fulcrum]

Greek or Indian numbers?

Global times Chinese communist party's mountpiece has claimed india has manufactured 14,000 brahmos over the years.. I have heard a number of 10-12k

 

[Pingle]

Any non-stealth solution from 2030 on is a no go. The Mediterranean is no ocean

Really? How many stealth platforms Turkiye will be actually fielding? Don't talk like a fanboys...... there's still a lot of time to see stealth in significant numbers in this region...... Greece along with F35 can also get rafale f5 versions..... so don't be under any delusions that only Turkiye will advance here.....

 

[Pingle]

Global times Chinese communist party's mountpiece has claimed india has manufactured 14,000 brahmos over the years.. I have heard a number of 10-12k

I even heard that India today have more than 10k Brahmos in all 3 services combined but actual numbers can be higher and not shown as a part of secret policy..... not to mention new orders are placed for additional Brahmos and once NG version starts showing up another batch of orders will be placed...... I can assume us to have at least 40k plus Brahmos in next few years......

 

[lacy]

Really? How many stealth platforms Turkiye will be actually fielding? Don't talk like a fanboys...... there's still a lot of time to see stealth in significant numbers in this region...... Greece along with F35 can also get rafale f5 versions..... so don't be under any delusions that only Turkiye will advance here.....

Open a map and zoom on Mediterranean and see the Turkish coast. Several long range radars on that humongous coast and one in Cyprus + TF2000s would make any non-stealth platforms look like a turkey shoot. That will be the reality even without adding KIzılelma, ANKA-4 and KAAN to the mix.

Only the Greek F35s could threaten this setup, not rafales or vipers.

 

[fulcrum]

Really? How many stealth platforms Turkiye will be actually fielding? Don't talk like a fanboys...... there's still a lot of time to see stealth in significant numbers in this region...... Greece along with F35 can also get rafale f5 versions..... so don't be under any delusions that only Turkiye will advance here.....

Stealth is not something like radars can't detect, most stealthy fighter are stealthy for x band fire control radar.
The radars functioning at UHF,VHF,L band frequencies can detect stealth aircrafts.
The downside of this radars is they cannot guide weapons nor can give give weapons grade lock..
That's why su57 is having L bands on its leading edge wing extension..
Even the Tejas's uttam radar or the whole series of uttam radar will have low band frequencies functioning capabilities basically they will have additional TRMs for lower frequencies. This radars which will be going on 41st Tejas mk1A, mk2 and the super Sukhoi upgrade of SU30MKI..
All this fighters radars will be capable of detecting stealthy aircraft however we dont have any idea at what distances..
However all airborne early warning radars use this frequency for very long range scanning.. even awacs use them like netra to extract longer ranges..

 

[Pingle]

Open a map and zoom on Mediterranean and see the Turkish coast. Several long range radars on that humongous coast and one in Cyprus + TF2000s would make any non-stealth platforms look like a turkey shoot. That will be the reality even without adding KIzılelma, ANKA-4 and KAAN to the mix.

Only the Greek F35s could threaten this setup, not rafales or vipers.

I have seen the map and it always shows me poor semi landlocked Turkiye with Greeks sitting on the islands max at 2 kms from Turkiye mainland..... and what are you blabbering about TF-2000, Anka 4 KAAN KIZILELMA..... let them first get operational and prove if they're really good as being marketed...... all I see today is Turkiye begging for F16s from USA and trying to get Typhoons..... something is tricky here......

Anyways lets not talk about future NG versions as well

I will talk to you on this once they're fully operational and are in significant numbers till then block 72, rafales will ensure a Turkey shoot of Turkiye airforce and Brahmos, harpoon, excocets will be enough to keep Turkish navy at its place.....

 

[onlinpunit]

An Indo-Ruso Missile has a very slim chance of getting exported to a NATO member !!
However if Russian - Turkey relationship takes a hit we may witness a miracle !!