Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[muhammed45]

Eventually, every war will be settled through diplomacy but the US-Iran relations are not at that point yet.

Iran needs to build some form of actual nuclear deterrence and then settle for diplomacy and learn to coexist with the US in the Middle East. Until then, Iran should buy time through diplomacy to guarantee its own national security.

On the side of Iran, I'm sure it is clear to to the people in power that removing the US from the Middle East is impossible. The US side of this equation also needs to come to the realization that Iran is not going anywhere. This is only possible through the development of nuclear weapons in my opinion. Otherwise, Iran is in a pretty bad situation and the US will continue to exert economic pressure and carry out limited strikes indefinitely.

Kicking USA out of the region has been on Iran's agenda for the last 4 decades. It is quite possible through increasing the cost of staying for the US. They have China chasing them right behind their back on every front and trillions of debt choking their economy. War with Iran is a death knell to US' global hegemony.

 

[ShapurII]

Kicking USA out of the region has been on Iran's agenda for the last 4 decades. It is quite possible through increasing the cost of staying for the US. They have China chasing them right behind their back on every front and trillions of debt choking their economy. War with Iran is a death knell to US' global hegemony.

Yeah, in theory, that could work. But in practice, Iran hasn't been able to increase the cost for the US stay in the Middle East. In fact, if anything, the US has hugely benefitted from Iran's foreign policies in the region through multi-billion dollar arms contracts with the Arab states around us and the manipulation of energy prices to back its dollar and fill the pockets of its own energy sector. So, it has had the opposite effect and it's not going to happen.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[muhammed45]

Yeah, in theory, that could work. But in practice, Iran hasn't been able to increase the cost for the US stay in the Middle East.

Yeah Iraq for example.

In fact, if anything, the US has hugely benefitted from Iran's foreign policies in the region through multi-billion dollar arms contracts with the Arab states around us and the manipulation of energy prices to back its dollar and fill the pockets of its own energy sector.

Arab kinglets don't need Iran for that purpose. Even during Pahlavi reign in Iran, they bought shitloads of weapons from the US.

Biggest fear for these kinglets is the population of their respected countries and they need those weapons to control them.

 

[Flotilla]

Irán must be ambitious.

Just yesterday Elon Musk in X said that true will come out.

If Irán cannot reach establish deterrence with Israel, maybe Irán can do It with Americans.

Raise the cost of a war would eventually make US keep away from israelí suicidal position.

Hit the Ben Gurion airport crowd of tankers and destroy them if treatened again by US and Israel could kill two birds with a shoot. No mass loss casualties but a legitimate military target.

Between this techno oligarcs and Irán, Trump can be impeached and take out of the Office.

That would be a powerful message for the replacement.

But at long term Irán needs the bomb. Israel won't never accept the status quo that Irán is drawing in the Middle East.

 

[ShapurII]

Yeah Iraq for example.

Yes, Iraq for example. The US literally controls Iraqi oil now. It goes straight to their bank account, for example.

Arab kinglets don't need Iran for that purpose. Even during Pahlavi reign in Iran, they bought shitloads of weapons from the US.

Biggest fear for these kinglets is the population of their respected countries and they need those weapons to control them.

How and why doesn't matter as much as what is happening in reality. The US is profiting from the war in the Middle East. As long as they're profiting from it instead of losing their profits, they're not going to leave the Middle East.

 

[Flotilla]

Yeah, in theory, that could work. But in practice, Iran hasn't been able to increase the cost for the US stay in the Middle East. In fact, if anything, the US has hugely benefitted from Iran's foreign policies in the region through multi-billion dollar arms contracts with the Arab states around us and the manipulation of energy prices to back its dollar and fill the pockets of its own energy sector. So, it has had the opposite effect and it's not going to happen.

That is changing slowly, Shapurll.

Ultimately Saudi Arabia, Turkey and even Egypt is pivoting from large arms contract with US to europeans and Chinese weaponry.

From Rafales to J10CE most probably Egypt will purchase to Eurofighter and even HQ9B that Egypt is purchasing.

PetroDollar is dying. It will take time to replace this ecosystem of hard currency oil backed Economy. But will happen. Nobody trust US anymore. Even we in EU that are the camel breeder clients we know It.

 

[Persian Gulf]

wtf?

 

[ShapurII]

That is changing slowly, Shapurll.

Ultimately Saudi Arabia, Turkey and even Egypt is pivoting from large arms contract with US to europeans and Chinese weaponry.

From Rafales to J10CE most probably Egypt will purchase to Eurofighter and even HQ9B that Egypt is purchasing.

PetroDollar is dying. It will take time to replace this ecosystem of hard currency oil backed Economy. But will happen. Nobody trust US anymore. Even we in EU that are the camel breeder clients we know It.

Eventually, yes. In a couple of decades, give or take, the collapse of the US dollar will happen, assuming money will still be worth what it is today because AGI may eventually lead to a completely different definition of currency and wealth. But does Iran have decades to wait for that under an import/export blockade?

The point is that Iran's foreign policies in the region are not the main reason for the fall of the US/Western world order. Iran is hurting itself for a cause that is absolutely out of its hands.

 

[Master Chief]

wtf?

Is the account real?

John Bolton is the one old establishment guy who had always wanted to rain fire and brimstone on Iran, even before Trump was in power. In fact, despite his many disagreements with Trump, I never recall hearing him complain about bombing Iran.

 

[Flotilla]

But does Iran have decades to wait for that under an import/export blockade?

That is a good question.

Maybe if Irán play well his new adquired position, can use neighbor countries for mixing their oíl and gas and evade with arab help, the blockade.

Irán doesn't disturb maritime traffic and arabs give enough space to share some profit until that moment reach.

But seems that Irán won this round also without firing a missile, and that is to me remarkable (even if Immortals disagrees). Irán changed the equation without bombing nobody, at least this round.

Let's see

 

[ShapurII]

Maybe if Irán play well his new adquired position, can use neighbor countries for mixing their oíl and gas and evade with arab help, the blockade.

Yeah, let's give a share of our oil income to the UAE that bombed Iran during the war to export our oil for us. That's a brilliant plan.

 

[Flotilla]

Yeah, let's give a share of our oil income to the UAE that bombed Iran during the war to export our oil for us. That's a brilliant plan.

Or they will share their income with Irán. That depends how you see it. The goal is to lift blockade... Or circumvent It.

 

[RocketLaw]