PAF Conducts successful test of indigenously developed FAAZ BVRAAM

we tested it all senior members know it. i never said we used it but we surely tested it in pac

Bro, we never did it. I am as senior as anybody here could ever be. I just never stick with same username. I had one of my relatives heading the AWC in early 2000s, In one of Aftaar parties, I actually asked him as that was the need of the hour. It used to be gathering of Directors, and DGs across various strategic organisations at our house. He only revealed that they were working on H2 & H4. No BVR was planned.

BTW, just look up when we received SD-10s. Those were acquired for JF-17s, there was no point then to use Mirage for BVR. It had converted into a very specialized role. By the same time, we also had aquired AMRAAMs for F-16s.
 
Just to prove that people will argue on anything, here's a stick.View attachment 221979


Also my claim that this is an air intake, not a cable runner.

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Also this view from the back. Tge white circle below the rocket motor.
Unless PAF is using cable from a بجلی کا کھمبا۔ , a missile cable runner cannot be that thick and protruding all the way to the exaust.
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Also this side view . I have circled the structure of interest. Too big for just being a cable runner. Looks like an air intake.
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I hereby claim this is a Meteor style RAM Jet , and a normal solid fuel combo .

For further reference here is a banana 🍌 for scale.

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It's a cable run and the thing on the back is a data link antenna
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The retards down at DFB.jpg have already started talking 'bout.

One genius said that its a copy or ToT of a Turkish missile.

Another rocket scientist is claiming its a copy of the SD-10/PL-12 because of the shape. I suppose he must be an expert on shapes that resemble dildos from his mom's collection. Khair...

Indians just don't get it...

They still have delusions that they are at par with China.

- Not a single Operational Jet.
- Not a single Operational Missile.
- Not a single Operation AESA Radar.
- Not a single Operation Engine.

I personally don't care if the missile is imported from US, China, Turkey or indigenously designed and made at home.

As long as I see footage like this 👇, I f#*k care where its come from.


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Its kinda sad, you know... Indians don't have anything to cheer or use as their avatars other than a few images from Space of the PAF Bases from last year.

All they have are claims by a retired Air Chief - who didn't even get the Farewell he (apparently) deserved. Isn't this the Air Chief that helped to their "Victory" during Sindoor? Guess not...

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I'm giving the reasoning and a banana for scale.
A cable runner or cable tunnel on an Air to air missile is never that large
Bro I'm not doubting you. My point was when you first suggested there was something we missed I was honestly going to guess ramjet.

It was a guess. I had no reason for that guess, it was literally the first thing that came into my head. There was no logic to my guess, just pure fluke.
 
Bro, we never did it. I am as senior as anybody here could ever be. I just never stick with same username. I had one of my relatives heading the AWC in early 2000s, In one of Aftaar parties, I actually asked him as that was the need of the hour. It used to be gathering of Directors, and DGs across various strategic organisations at our house. He only revealed that they were working on H2 & H4. No BVR was planned.

BTW, just look up when we received SD-10s. Those were acquired for JF-17s, there was no point then to use Mirage for BVR. It had converted into a very specialized role. By the same time, we also had aquired AMRAAMs for F-16s.
we tested it..in old pdf there was a pic of sd 10 on mirage. may be @Oscar knows it . it was just for test .
 
Well if true this is the answer. The Indians 'layered AD' is really just a shit-ton of locally made Akash SAMs. That was something we were lacking and I think we definitely felt it.

The way both countries have been moving after May 2025 conflict has been very telling. Pakistan has been rapidly working to cover its gaps while Indians are resting on their paltry laurels.

The Indians are stuck - there is a paralysis of decision making, because the Indians have realised that nothing they have actually works together and until they can get the core to work together or a plan, they are simply making bad problems worse.
 
Bro, we never did it. I am as senior as anybody here could ever be. I just never stick with same username. I had one of my relatives heading the AWC in early 2000s, In one of Aftaar parties, I actually asked him as that was the need of the hour. It used to be gathering of Directors, and DGs across various strategic organisations at our house. He only revealed that they were working on H2 & H4. No BVR was planned.

BTW, just look up when we received SD-10s. Those were acquired for JF-17s, there was no point then to use Mirage for BVR. It had converted into a very specialized role. By the same time, we also had aquired AMRAAMs for F-16s.

My knowledge, like my memory, is rusty now, though I don't think I'm of that age to say that. But to the best of my knowledge, unless I was living under a rock, SD-10 was indeed never tested on Mirage-III/V. However, there were rumours of integrating MICA on it when ROSE upgrades were being done. I am confident there was once a picture of a Mirage-III/V [test aircraft] mounted with MICA, but I won't read too much into it. With AMRAAMs and SD-10 arriving, the MICA option seems to have been put aside. IMO, that was the wrong decision.
 
Faaz couod be the best for customers like somalia or any other country who dnt need pl 15 as for now
I don't think FAAZ is anywhere close to entering serial production yet. The Turkish Gökdoğan missile offers a useful benchmark for understanding the potential development timeline.

Turkey conducted tests of the Gökdoğan in 2018, with production reportedly commencing in 2022. This suggests a development cycle of roughly four to five years before the missile reached the production stage. However, it is important to account for the fact that Turkey's defence-industrial ecosystem is considerably more mature than Pakistan's, which has only recently begun to place greater emphasis on developing an indigenous defence production complex.

Even in Turkey's case, missile development and operationalisation were not instantaneous processes. The transition from initial design and testing to a production-ready system, followed by operational integration, took several years. This is an important consideration when assessing FAAZ's potential induction timeline.

Pakistan, meanwhile, has been working on the concept for FAAZ for quite some time. The experience gained through SD-10 production and integration has provided a useful technological foundation, while FAAZ itself appears to have been in development for more than five years. Nevertheless, having an established conceptual and technological base does not necessarily mean that the missile is ready for serial production or operational service.

If we were to apply a development timeline broadly comparable to Turkey's, I would consider 2030 a plausible, albeit speculative, timeframe for FAAZ's potential induction. This is not a confirmed timeline, of course, and progress could be accelerated depending on the maturity of the programme, testing outcomes and the availability of supporting infrastructure.

For Somalia, however, waiting until the end of the decade may not be a practical option. If Chinese BVR missile options are unavailable, Mogadishu could potentially turn to Turkish solutions to meet its immediate requirements. Pakistan's ability to integrate Turkish-origin equipment could also provide an alternative pathway, particularly if the objective is to establish an operational capability before FAAZ becomes available.

Ultimately, the distinction here is between a long-term indigenous capability and an immediate operational requirement. FAAZ may eventually offer Pakistan and its partners a viable option, but Somalia's near-term requirements could necessitate an interim solution.
 
Gotta say..., am a bit surprised that there is no information on this Missile by Global Industrial & Defence Solutions on their website: GIDS

According to a "buddy", the information on this missile has been out since 2022. Its just now its been Tested in the field.

Strange... I was under the illusion all are field testing is against the Gangus.

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I am interested in the shorad/lomad version of this. If they're swapping seekers on air to air, then they can probably do the same to a new SAM system.

Ground based defense should be our priority.
 
.................. while Indians are resting on their paltry laurels.
Are you sure? Never underestimate your enemy!

If you can't get new missiles or new Vipers they can monitor, what makes you think they will allow you to get the source code to fire missiles?

Still not certain what benefits we're reaping off this coziness...

Where are the AH-1 (Cobras) that have 'Pakistan Army' painted on 'em?

Eitherway..., the Americans will NEVER allow for our Vipers to fire this missile (period).
The benefits are there (and aplenty) for the PM & FM who were doing all the coziness. Were you actually expecting some benefits for the nation?? How cute!
 
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