Makkah Defence Alliance: Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, news & updates

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

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Well, she needs to Understand that Defense Agreements work both ways. Let's imagine if Israel ever decides to Invade Turkiye, then won't they look towards Pakistan to Help them against Adversaries?

This lady is a Marxist militant being the spokesperson of PKK/YPG. So, ignore her....

 

[Starlord]

I think criticism is not bad, let them discuss every aspect of the PACT, everything moves slowly but in the right direction. Of course you won't have a country that will agree with every decision a govt take. I bet a lot of Pakistani shia's minister will have similar questions as Pakistan pledge its troops to protect KSA.

 

[I*R*A]

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Well, she needs to Understand that Defense Agreements work both ways. Let's imagine if Israel ever decides to Invade Turkiye, then won't they look towards Pakistan to Help them against Adversaries?

"Nuclear war" between indian and Pakistan "if ever" .. will not be and remain a regional conflict between two countries. So Turkiye coming to Pakistan or not won't matter. Somebody tell her what MAD means and how long will take for her region to see the aftermath of that.

 

[I*R*A]

Next to join the Alliance should be Syria, Malaysia, Indonesia and Iran.

Indonesia only, they are our historical allies and friends.

 

[Sainthood 2.0]

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Well, she needs to Understand that Defense Agreements work both ways. Let's imagine if Israel ever decides to Invade Turkiye, then won't they look towards Pakistan to Help them against Adversaries?

Lmao
That's like saying Pakistan would invade India
Smaller nations don't go around invading larger nations so Israel invading Turkey is nonsense imo
They would never do such a thing

And for this Turkish lady in the case of indo-pak war no one is expecting Turkey or Saudi to be a major player because it's well above their pay grade
We are China (covert support) or bust in such a conflict.
It's not something macca defense pact members can handle and even we know that
I think this treaty is for something else like a mix of deterrence and capability building.
No one's expecting Turkey or even Saudi to actually fight shoulder to shoulder with Pakistan
I don't think so, personally speaking and that's ok

 

[Samurai Sword]

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Well, she needs to Understand that Defense Agreements work both ways. Let's imagine if Israel ever decides to Invade Turkiye, then won't they look towards Pakistan to Help them against Adversaries?

I don’t believe anyone in Turkey or Saudi Arabia is genuinely concerned about India using nuclear weapons against them.

In theory, such a scenario is conceivable, Russia, after all, maintains a doctrine that allows nuclear retaliation against NATO or the United States if either employs nuclear weapons against it. Yet the ongoing war has already claimed thousands of Russian and Ukrainian lives without any actual resort to nuclear arms, despite repeated rhetorical references to the possibility of nuclear conflict.

What carries greater weight is the signaling surrounding nuclear weapons. Should Pakistan attempt a nuclear strike on India, even if India successfully intercepts it, India’s second-strike policy would still be activated. To date, I have seen no declared Indian policy stating whether the country would simultaneously target China, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia in such a contingency.

Any such posture would also hinge on whether the Mecca Pact evolves into a credible collective-security arrangement comparable to NATO, only then might India formulate an explicit nuclear doctrine addressing both the Mecca Pact and China.

If a nuclear exchange does occur, it is more likely to happen between India and China. We saw India use nuclear capable BrahMos missiles against Pakistani airbases during the May conflict, yet there was no fuss from Pakistan about employing nuclear weapons.

India itself remained unfazed about the possibility of the conflict turning nuclear. Possessing nuclear weapons and having the actual capability to use them against a well-armed military like India’s are two very different things.

 

[R2D2]

Now i understand how that wooden Dutch army with only suckers conquered and colonised Indonesia for centuries.

I was born in the Netherlands and we learned at school about the colonial times in Indonesia and Suriname.

Modern era migrants in the Netherlands from Indonesia and Suriname have always a agressive and assertive mindset and behaviour, but they never used this against the colonial powers in their countries.

Cowards.

The Malaysians were interested in joining the Turkey, Pakistan, Malaysia alliance proposed by Imran Khan. They are not that much pacifist to not stand with Muslim Alliance. They have their own form of martial arts.

 

[Be dazzled]

Plenty of tangible asset relocation observed within two months.

 

[KingQamaR]

This Mecca Pact requires new heavy lift aircraft. If you loot at it geographically they are not neighbours they don’t have a bridge a road connection. Anything this Pact does logistically it will be done thru airlifts Why PAF should look into buying heavy Chinese aircraft.

 

[Samurai Sword]

I checked the defence budgets of the Mecca Defence Pact countries according to Global Firepower rankings. Saudi Arabia has a defence budget of approximately $63 billion, Turkey $51 billion, and Pakistan $9 billion, bringing their combined total to around $123 billion.

India, on the other hand, has a defence budget of $109 billion. And as the Indian economy continues to expand, its capacity to spend on defence will also increase.

According to the IMF's October 2026 World Economic Outlook projections, India's nominal GDP is projected to grow from approximately $4.06 trillion in 2026 to $6.74 trillion by 2031. At that level, even allocating just 2% of GDP to defence would amount to approximately $135 billion annually. If strategic circumstances demanded a higher allocation of 4% of GDP, India's annual defence budget wll reach approximately $270 billion.

In other words, India's growing economic strength gives it considerable scope to expand its defence spending over the coming years. The combined defence budget of the three Mecca Pact countries is not an insurmountable financial advantage.

 

[mythbuster]

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I checked the defence budgets of the Mecca Defence Pact countries according to Global Firepower rankings. Saudi Arabia has a defence budget of approximately $63 billion, Turkey $51 billion, and Pakistan $9 billion, bringing their combined total to around $123 billion.

India, on the other hand, has a defence budget of $109 billion. And as the Indian economy continues to expand, its capacity to spend on defence will also increase.

According to the IMF's October 2026 World Economic Outlook projections, India's nominal GDP is projected to grow from approximately $4.06 trillion in 2026 to $6.74 trillion by 2031. At that level, even allocating just 2% of GDP to defence would amount to approximately $135 billion annually. If strategic circumstances demanded a higher allocation of 4% of GDP, India's annual defence budget wll reach approximately $270 billion.

In other words, India's growing economic strength gives it considerable scope to expand its defence spending over the coming years. The combined defence budget of the three Mecca Pact countries is not an insurmountable financial advantage.

India's 10 times bigger budget didn't give India any edge in recent clash , rather she got her butts kicked..
It's not how much dollars spent it's how well they are spent .... it's a useless discussion , Russia Ukraine war is not between two nuclear weapons states , drawing parallel is not more than intellectual self indulgence.... Mecca alliance is for the protection of middle east , Pakistan's protection is secondary..
It's similar to NATO , American's don't need NATO to protect them.

 

[maxpane]

india has the big balloon Pak has the sharp needle

 

[Master Chief]

I checked the defence budgets of the Mecca Defence Pact countries according to Global Firepower rankings. Saudi Arabia has a defence budget of approximately $63 billion, Turkey $51 billion, and Pakistan $9 billion, bringing their combined total to around $123 billion.

India, on the other hand, has a defence budget of $109 billion. And as the Indian economy continues to expand, its capacity to spend on defence will also increase.

According to the IMF's October 2026 World Economic Outlook projections, India's nominal GDP is projected to grow from approximately $4.06 trillion in 2026 to $6.74 trillion by 2031. At that level, even allocating just 2% of GDP to defence would amount to approximately $135 billion annually. If strategic circumstances demanded a higher allocation of 4% of GDP, India's annual defence budget wll reach approximately $270 billion.

In other words, India's growing economic strength gives it considerable scope to expand its defence spending over the coming years. The combined defence budget of the three Mecca Pact countries is not an insurmountable financial advantage.

Naruto has returned from his morning run..

@Musings
@Yasser76

 

[GoatsMilk]

This lady is a Marxist militant being the spokesperson of PKK/YPG. So, ignore her....

If a war did take place between Pakistan and India the predominantly Kurdish HDP whose basically the political wing of the PKK would rush to support India. While most Kurds in the region respect the countries they reside in, there is a significant proportion who conform to Marxism and anti-Islam rhetoric who operate as internal enemies of all the states they reside in.

Let me give you an example, when Turkiye downed a russian jet back in 2015 during the time that Russia was hyped as the second most powerful nation on earth, not the joke it is seen as today. Talks of war on the horizon between the Turks and Russians.

What did the leader of the pro-PKK party, the HDP do, he rushed to visit Moscow and side with them over the incident.

While Turks were concerning themselves with potential war the HDP were making deals with the Russians. They probably believed like all minorities before them that if they support the invading white Christian power against the Turkish Muslims, they will be given a country.

In general the HDP are absolute scum, why they are allowed to operate so freely and openly within Turkiye is a great mystery.

When their politicians visit european nations they are given the red carpet treatment too.

 

[Ali_Baba]

This Mecca Pact requires new heavy lift aircraft. If you loot at it geographically they are not neighbours they don’t have a bridge a road connection. Anything this Pact does logistically it will be done thru airlifts Why PAF should look into buying heavy Chinese aircraft.

There is a disconnect between the expectations of the military pact and the capability of the countries of the Makkah pact to deliver on those commitments. For Pakistan, given the threat it faces from India, can it afford to send more PAF squadrons to Saudi or Türkiye ? Obviously the answer is no, right ? There is already one squadron of JF17s in Saudi and that is it otherwise a capability gap arises against India...

Both Türkiye and Saudi have the money to purchase new aircraft but lack the capability, or have very very long extended timelines on delivery(F16s for Türkiye and F35 for both Türkiye and F35 ).

Pakistan has very quick delivery pipelines from its own JF17C manufacturing line, and rapid delivery of J-10CE's and J-35 from China once the cash is sorted out.

The solution to reconnect the disconnect between the expectations of the military pact and the capability of the countries of the Makkah pact is for the countries to fund a "expeditionary force" of 4-5 squadrons of fighter aircraft that can be rapidly deployed in theatre under joint command. This will also need transport as you suggest, and mobile AD force to protect them on the ground and AEW&C aircraft etc... The cost to Türkiye and Saudi is small relative to the capability it brings to offset the current limitations in the respective air forces of Türkiye and Saudi against Israel/Greece combo etc.

I don't see this happening unfortunately and as such the Makkah pact is more of a paper weight given that it cannot address the military threat matrix the pact faces. ( IMHO ).