Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Mero]

Iran has learned from the war, that Iran does not need to have oil at 200 dollars to get the public to turn on governments. Iran can have it at 100 and the public dealing with affordability issues turns on their governments. It means Iran is learning closing the strait is effective and can use less missiles for fighting back or shift to many types of targets if intense hostilities resume.

Americans are complaining for paying a fraction of European petrol prices, and Europeans are protesting in part because of Gaza and the war.

Iran does not need to destroy the Middle East oil and gas for a decade, handing US oil and gas dominance to set price and supply. Iran can issue short term oil and gas pain in Middle East and still be effective in message delivery.

 

[BHAN85]

Iran has learned from the war, that Iran does not need to have oil at 200 dollars to get the public to turn on governments. Iran can have it at 100 and the public dealing with affordability issues turns on their governments. It means Iran is learning closing the strait is effective and can use less missiles for fighting back or shift to many types of targets if intense hostilities resume.

Americans are complaining for paying a fraction of European petrol prices, and Europeans are protesting in part because of Gaza and the war.

Iran does not need to destroy the Middle East oil and gas for a decade, handing US oil and gas dominance to set price and supply. Iran can issue short term oil and gas pain in Middle East and still be effective in message delivery.

in europe we have 4 years of food inflation due to ukraine war, and guess what, not a single protest against ukraine war.

 

[KingQamaR]

As long as Israel doesn't attack or prepares to attack, there is no point in attacking them

Iran has lost a lot, we don't need another salvo is IDF bombings

The US is different, US is more incompetent, less defended than Israel and fragile in the region

Nethanyahu has got US to attack Iran. Israel has dragged US into war against you. You should be attacking and fighting Israel not GCC countries.

 

[UKBengali]

As long as Israel doesn't attack or prepares to attack, there is no point in attacking them

Iran has lost a lot, we don't need another salvo is IDF bombings

The US is different, US is more incompetent, less defended than Israel and fragile in the region

They are waiting to replenish the interceptors to have another round of attacks on Iran. It could be another 2-3 years but they will attack again.

This is a Iran's best chance while they are low on interceptors.

War is coming to Iran and so best take the initiative and get an advantage.

 

[ShapurII]

in europe we have 4 years of food inflation due to ukraine war, and guess what, not a single protest against ukraine war.

Bro, in their imagination, Europe has already collapsed and will soon start to beg Iran to stop the war.

Every time they make a big claim, then they fail to deliver it and then cope with saying we don't even need to achieve that.

 

[tsunset]

Armenia is one of the few true brothers Iran has left in the region

 

[Persian Gulf]

negotiations are ongoing while the US bombs Iranian territory on a daily basis

didn't take long. MORE US strikes against Iran. Pathetic IRI don't even respond any more.......

 

[vizier]

This is the worst idea I have read on this forum. It is lunacy to say the least.

The blast radius of a dirty bomb is pretty small, limited to a kilometer more or less. Sometimes even less. Tel Aviv is 51 km². So, Iran will need 15-20 dirty bombs with some highly radioactive isotope like Cesium-137 for Tel Aviv alone. Even then, not all of Tel Aviv will be covered in enough dose of radiation to make it completely inhabitable for years. Anyway, to cover the entire area of Israel, Iran will need +7,500 projectiles to land in Israel. Literally infeasible.

And even then, militarily, it will achieve nothing as it will not destroy Israeli military or critical infrastructure and Iran will never be able to deliver +7,500 projectiles to Israel before Israel nukes every major city in Iran. Even if we assume that Iran can fire thousands of missiles at once, do you think Israel will just sit and watch?

This is why state actors do not go for such ridiculous scenarios. Not eve when they deal with other non-nuclear states. Let alone nuclear states like Israel which most likely are in possession of megaton nukes and have the full backing of the United States.

In the best case scenario, Iran will be able to poison tens of thousands of people in Israel with high doses of radiation and render some areas of Israel inhabitable for a few years, while in return, millions of Iranians will be killed with strategic nukes dropped on Tehran, Isfahan, Karaj, Qom, Tabriz, Shiraz, Mashhad, etc. and millions will be injured and left homeless, and nothing will remain of the civilian infrastructure in Iran to support even basic life after that. And nobody will blame Israel for that because Iran initiated it. It is nothing but a suicide mission, performed in the most idiotic way.

1km is when it detonates on impact just above the ground. Or a hollywood backpack dirty bomb scenario.

You would ofcourse need to detonate it at 3000m altitude more or less depending on the wind and use liquid gas that is heavier than air(ie. Co2) to disperse heu dust to a large area expanding and descending to the ground. In that case the radiation footprint would have a much larger radius. I am sure there are prototypes that Iran has and it is much different than the classic dirty bomb example that is detonated on the ground.

Where to hit is another issue. Hitting farmlands would cripple any form of sustainable living there for a long time. Hitting population centers like tel aviv would make the place long term very hazardous to live. There would be a lot of cancer cases and birth defects if people would opt to live on those areas. Which is very deterrent even if the long term effects take 10 years. The effects will be there

I mentioned this option after isreal or usa uses their nukes so I think it should be pretty understandable. That is having a deterrent option AFTER millions of your people are tergeted by potential usa-isreal nukes. Not before as an initiater but as an option of deterrence. So no nukes will be used on you. I dont know why you keep misunderstanding this.

 

[Persian Gulf]

even if IRI retards finally respond now (unlikely), it's too late. they already showed they are willing to be submissive punching bags and are utterly DESPERATE for a deal and TERRIFIED of a return to war.

horrendous.

 

[Persian Gulf]

This is the worst idea I have read on this forum. It is lunacy to say the least.

The blast radius of a dirty bomb is pretty small, limited to a kilometer more or less. Sometimes even less. Tel Aviv is 51 km². So, Iran will need 15-20 dirty bombs with some highly radioactive isotope like Cesium-137 for Tel Aviv alone. Even then, not all of Tel Aviv will be covered in enough dose of radiation to make it completely inhabitable for years. Anyway, to cover the entire area of Israel, Iran will need +7,500 projectiles to land in Israel. Literally infeasible.

And even then, militarily, it will achieve nothing as it will not destroy Israeli military or critical infrastructure and Iran will never be able to deliver +7,500 projectiles to Israel before Israel nukes every major city in Iran. Even if we assume that Iran can fire thousands of missiles at once, do you think Israel will just sit and watch?

This is why state actors do not go for such ridiculous scenarios. Not eve when they deal with other non-nuclear states. Let alone nuclear states like Israel which most likely are in possession of megaton nukes and have the full backing of the United States.

In the best case scenario, Iran will be able to poison tens of thousands of people in Israel with high doses of radiation and render some areas of Israel inhabitable for a few years, while in return, millions of Iranians will be killed with strategic nukes dropped on Tehran, Isfahan, Karaj, Qom, Tabriz, Shiraz, Mashhad, etc. and millions will be injured and left homeless, and nothing will remain of the civilian infrastructure in Iran to support even basic life after that. And nobody will blame Israel for that because Iran initiated it. It is nothing but a suicide mission, performed in the most idiotic way.

he is not saying Iran should initiate a nuclear exchange with Israel. he is saying it's a back up plan for Iran to have some form of credible deterrent against a nuclear strike short of a functional nuclear warhead.

 

[OldTwilight]

he is not saying Iran should initiate a nuclear exchange with Israel. he is saying it's a back up plan for Iran to have some form of credible deterrent against a nuclear strike short of a functional nuclear warhead.

Those idiots think they beat Trump , the problem is that Trump is facade of usa not the ruler of USA ...

 

[BHAN85]

Bro, in their imagination, Europe has already collapsed and will soon start to beg Iran to stop the war.

Every time they make a big claim, then they fail to deliver it and then cope with saying we don't even need to achieve that.

it didnt happen but could happen in the future.

iran has more balls than kremlincucks.

russian doesnt dare to touch a inch of nato soil.

but iran already threatened with do it if war restart and european air bases are used to attack iran.

iran already targeted gcc and israeli bases, target europe is not the big deal for them.

we are not used to see missiles flying here, the psychological impact for european people would be huge.

 

[Persian Gulf]

 

[tsunset]

it didnt happen but could happen in the future.

iran has more balls than kremlincucks.

russian doesnt dare to touch a inch of nato soil.

but iran already threatened with do it if war restart and european air bases are used to attack iran.

iran already targeted gcc and israeli bases, target europe is not the big deal for them.

we are not used to see missiles flying here, the psychological impact for european people would be huge.

This is what i said to some people here

It doesn't matter if the missiles headed towards Europe are all intercepted or hits with a 1km radius

Just the people seeing enemy missiles traveling to their targets with interceptors launched in the sky of Berlin or London with huge explosions from above, this will completely terrorize them and achieve a huge psychological impact

 

[925boy]

Nethanyahu has got US to attack Iran. Israel has dragged US into war against you. You should be attacking and fighting Israel not GCC countries.

Offcourse it made sense for Iran to focus more of it's attacks against US instead of israel,because the US military was doing more damage to Iran than Israel. Simple!