JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[K2RULEZ]

I think J-35 and KAAN can live side by side. Since 60s PAF learnt hard way of relying on one supplier. We always had a two tier force (western and Chinese).

That would be awesome.

 

[Yasser76]

That would be awesome.

Yeah, issue os networking and interopertability. In the past a ground controller could send voice messages to an F-6 pilot and a F-16A pilot and both planes could fire the AIM-9.

Now as we know things are very different. We have developed a national solution in terms of a data link but in other aspects I am not sure how easy it will be to have both KAAN (A NATO standard plane with Turkish tech) work seamlessly into what is increasingly a Chinese dominated PAF ecosystem. Even close allies such as Turkiye may not allow us to open up the brains of the KAAN to interlink it with Chinese gear. If PAF can over come that, we will have one of the best fighter fleets on the planet outside of US/China

 

[KingQamaR]

For sure no one doubts the utility of JF-17 but we will always need Stealth for deep strike, JF-17s and F-16s will have a hard time in Indian air space.

Main issue here is deliveries. If we bag another order then that is another 2-3 year wait after we deliver Azeri order if we use same production line. If that is the case we will fall into the trap of IAF. Hoping and waiting for home made planes while the world moves on. In their case it is due to HAL being unable to make combat worthy plane, in our case it is other countries wanting our combat proven plane, but end result is the same, we get no new planes and techncology delayed is technology denired. If this is not bad enough we now have an entire JF-17 unit out in Saudi too

On easy fix here is to ask Chinese to put us ahead in J-35 production line.

Priority, you must fill PAF & Navy orders of JF-17 first.
Just like what China is doing it is filling PLA Air fleet with J35 first. It will be maybe 5 years waiting time for PAF to receive her first j35 unit. If customers do want j35s then they will wait for them.
And I do not understand Pakistan thinking here. How did they think they could build enough Jf-17 units for PAF in big numbers and the same time win large orders from customers from abroad on a limited production facility for Jf-17s?
Unless, they neglect PAF and concentrate on export orders.

 

[Yasser76]

Priority, you must fill PAF & Navy orders of JF-17 first.
Just like what China is doing it is filling PLA Air fleet with J35 first. It will be maybe 5 years waiting time for PAF to receive her first j35 unit. If customers do want j35s then they will wait for them.
And I do not understand Pakistan thinking here. How did they think they could build enough Jf-17 units for PAF in big numbers and the same time win large orders from customers from abroad on a limited production facility for Jf-17s?
Unless, they neglect PAF and concentrate on export orders.

This is what makes me think J-35 is imminent.

PAF has complete control over JF-17 exports as well as manufacturing. We took on foreign orders knowing that it would push back our own modernisation? Makes no sense as you say. PAF, in my experiance, is not that stupid, or we succumbed to immense pressure to get foreign deals?

My guess is there is a plan here. PAF have always been good with long term plans

 

[KingQamaR]

Can Pakistan approach china and ask for assistance in China to increase certain JF17s components to help to reduce their order times! or maybe build a new facility in Pakistan?
Why not also ask China for TOT to build JC-10 CE In Pakistan???

 

[Yasser76]

Can Pakistan approach china and ask for assistance in China to increase certain JF17s components to help to reduce their order times! or maybe build a new facility in Pakistan?

I think no interest on Chinese side, not enough to make it worth their while

 

[KingQamaR]

I think no interest on Chinese side, not enough to make it worth their while

That’s silly

JF-17 can be used as a route to gaining access to jets like Jc10 or J35

Jf-17 can lay groundwork and foundation to future customers for Chinese technology how it works and operates.

 

[Yasser76]

That’s silly

JF-17 can be used as a route to gaining access to more Jc10 or J35

Jf-17 can lay groundwork and foundation to future customers for Chinese technology how it works and operates.

Agree buddy, Chinese have been promoting JF-17 and J-10C hard too, any sale would help a user get tied into the Chinese supply system but right now, in the very big scheme of things, JF-17C is way behind everything they are investing in. Even our most advanced fighter (J-10C) comes behind J-36, then J-20, then J-35, then J-16 for China.

My guess is they will want new customers to buy J-10C or J-35. They are a very close ally but will not prioritise PAC exports at the expense of their own