Towards a Pakistani Islamic Renaissance: Reconstructing the State, Reviving Civilization, and Developing the Individual

[PakistanLVR]

Very nazuk surat i present.

In these confusing times, government should introduce Sufi sites pilgrimage where young angry men should be tasked to walk from Agha Khan's Shangri-la to Shah Ghazi Atlantis.

Each ethnicity should be allowed to wear one specific color of their choice and allowed one specific music instrument.

Or your type of government, drive vehicles into Christmas markets and bl*w up mosques, funerals, schools, marketplaces. Right?

 

[PakistanLVR]

I've just started reading this and often I skim through stuff on this forum but @PakistanLVR this is fantastic. It's like I'm reading my own thoughts expressed so articulately. I'm going to savour reading the rest.

Thank you for your effort.

Yeah, this is a deep crisis. Its only when you live amongst non-Muslims you start seeing patterns that unfortunately the ones who live in Pakistan can't comprehend. Every overseas Pakistani sees it, feels it, and now its out in the open - the lite clash of civilizations.

 

[El Sidd]

Or your type of government, drive vehicles into Christmas markets and bl*w up mosques, funerals, schools, marketplaces. Right?

Keep disorderlies in check is basic evolution. Humans have a remarkable survival sense when it comes to evolution. All evil societies are taught to you are extinct and if you repeat what they did, you will join them.

 

[RescueRanger]

This is good thread, whist I openly void discussing religion, the premise of the conversation and argument from the OP is very eloquently expressed.

@PakistanLVR please give me some time to digest your writings over a couple of cigarettes and some coffee before I offer any feedback from my side.

Having said that, can I ask members to refrain from needless trolling and off topic posts especially when the OP has taken the time to compose and compile a thought provoking write-up that will no doubt be an improvement from the usual meme fiesta that has over taken PdF of late.

Thanks.

 

[313Ghazi]

Just finished reading it. @PakistanLVR this was truly fantastic.

Some of my favourite bits.

The problem was that Pakistan did not sufficiently reconsider the underlying relationship between the state and society.

We replaced colonial administrators with Pakistani administrators without always transforming the governing philosophy of the institutions themselves.

You hit the nail on the head.

Universities should be evaluated through the quality of their scholarship, research output, innovation, and contributions to society.

This should be the primary measure of a universities success as well as employability of students. Universities that score well should receive more state funds. Pay for the leadership teams should be heavily linked to these scores.

Students must learn how to question assumptions, examine evidence, construct arguments, and challenge established ideas.

This one point will change our nation forever.

 

[PakistanLVR]

This is good thread, whist I openly void discussing religion, the premise of the conversation and argument from the OP is very eloquently expressed.

@PakistanLVR please give me some time to digest your writings over a couple of cigarettes and some coffee before I offer any feedback from my side.

Having said that, can I ask members to refrain from needless trolling and off topic posts especially when the OP has taken the time to compose and compile a thought provoking write-up that will no doubt be an improvement from the usual meme fiesta that has over taken PdF of late.

Thanks.

I fully understand why discussion involving religion is not allowed - I included it in my write up because it forms a foundation of many Pakistanis including the state. Im trying to look at it from an objective stance, not subjective.

 

[313Ghazi]

One thing that crossed my mind whilst reading this. There is a certain crowd that will read the word Islamic and get heart burn. I urge them to copy and paste the article into AI and ask it to strip all reference to Islam and replace them with the term "values" or "morality" or "Ronaldo" - it doesn't really matter.

The essence of the message is spot on - exactly what we need. What branding you choose to apply is irrelevant.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Just finished reading it. @PakistanLVR this was truly fantastic.

Some of my favourite bits.


You hit the nail on the head.

This should be the primary measure of a universities success as well as employability of students. Universities that score well should receive more state funds. Pay for the leadership teams should be heavily linked to these scores.

This one point will change our nation forever.

In short, I want a cultural revolution in full. There's segments of classes with their own values in Pakistan. The poor is following some form of Islam, the elites are westernized in every manner of words and deeds. The middle class is gravitating to the McWorld Globalization version where their core ideas come from Western NGOs and training curriculum. If the decision do not care about the country and why it was form, they will start overlapping the state purpose with next biggest state they all look up to and want to mimic - India. Many of us have started seeing the influx of SEM2SEM youth from Pakistan into the West. Some of them even question why Partition was necessary because they get all their information from an Indian social media class that's irreligious and is liberal and part of the Global McWorld.

 

[R2D2]

Hafiz sb. is in the best position to bring about real and not artificial Islamic change in Pakistan. This step will help him personally in the present political situation in the country, in the comity of Muslim nations and in the hereafter.

 

[mythbuster]

This is good thread, whist I openly void discussing religion, the premise of the conversation and argument from the OP is very eloquently expressed.

@PakistanLVR please give me some time to digest your writings over a couple of cigarettes and some coffee before I offer any feedback from my side.

Having said that, can I ask members to refrain from needless trolling and off topic posts especially when the OP has taken the time to compose and compile a thought provoking write-up that will no doubt be an improvement from the usual meme fiesta that has over taken PdF of late.

Thanks.

Nothing thought provoking can come from someone who changes his sect to score a point and then goes back to original sect when caught red handed.

 

[PakistanLVR]

Nothing thought provoking can come from someone who changes his sect to score a point and then goes back to original sect when caught red handed.

Quran is one, there are 5x prayers, Mecca is still Mecca regardless if I am a Shia or Sufi. Someone who has claimed to be Atheist on this very forum cares very deeply about sects of Individuals.

Listen, Id appreciate if you stop commenting on my threads and to me if you can't provide anything beneficial or productive points. Making ad hominen attacks against me (thereby forcing me to do the same against you) derails my work. I wish to avoid that and get back to big ideas, not petty arguments.

 

[mythbuster]

Quran is one, there are 5x prayers, Mecca is still Mecca regardless if I am a Shia or Sufi. Someone who has claimed to be Atheist on this very forum cares very deeply about sects of Individuals.

Listen, Id appreciate if you stop commenting on my threads and to me if you can't provide anything beneficial or productive points. Making ad hominen attacks against me (thereby forcing me to do the same against you) derails my work. I wish to avoid that and get back to big ideas, not petty arguments.

Wallow in your " big thoughts" haha ...conceit , hypocrisy and big thoughts don't go hand in hand... have fun with your newfound chailay...
Adiós.

 

[PakistanLVR]

One thing that crossed my mind whilst reading this. There is a certain crowd that will read the word Islamic and get heart burn. I urge them to copy and paste the article into AI and ask it to strip all reference to Islam and replace them with the term "values" or "morality" or "Ronaldo" - it doesn't really matter.

The essence of the message is spot on - exactly what we need. What branding you choose to apply is irrelevant.

Yeah there's growing number of them, very bold in real life too. But then its the fault of the society and state that these types have adopted an outlook that goes against the grain because. The system is rotten and will only produce more individuals like them because it hasn't helped them so they associated failure with the religion itself.

 

[RescueRanger]

Nothing thought provoking can come from someone who changes his sect to score a point and then goes back to original sect when caught red handed.

Kohi Nahi Yaar we need to listen to opinions, it's better than watching videos of how many cigars were launched or not launched. A good break from time to time.